Thyssenkrupp cleared in arms probe

Viewed with the following in mind this is unsurprising as well as downright disturbing

The decision to close the case comes after SA failed to provide German authorities with any of the information they had requested to finalise their case.
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Hoof-Hearted said:
Viewed with the following in mind this is unsurprising as well as downright disturbing


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What's confusing is that, he says they dropped the case becuase of lack of info, and then in the same interview says this:

But on Wednesday he said: "We were not surprised (when the SA Justice Department did not provide the information sought...the nature of the information was complex and probably difficult to gather."
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They were not willing to wait?:confused:
 
sox63 said:
What's confusing is that, he says they dropped the case becuase of lack of info, and then in the same interview says this:



They were not willing to wait?:confused:
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I guess they know more than what was disclosed. I doubt they would give up without knowing that the info was never going to see the light of day. Unless this is the German way of saying we give up and it is SA's fault. Although experience and our track record within guavamint makes me lean towards the former...
 
sox63 said:
They were not willing to wait?:confused:
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pffft .... Zose farking chermans !! :rolleyes:

I agree with your sentiment though. So if I can misappropriate a couple of mil and then refuse to give info to the courts for a few years, is the investigation halted and will the charges be dropped due to "lack of evidence" ?
 
DJStealth said:
I guess they know more than what was disclosed. I doubt they would give up without knowing that the info was never going to see the light of day. Unless this is the German way of saying we give up and it is SA's fault. Although experience and our track record within guavamint makes me lean towards the former...
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I don't think so, as they are pressing ahead with other charges, just that they don't think they would secure a verdict in connection with the Covettes.

Although confirming that his office had found evidence of crimes on the part of some former ThyssenKrupp employees against the company itself, Neukirchen on Wednesday said those had nothing to do with the corvettes.
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I'm not surprised they're not doing much tbh. From their perspective the only way for their companies to do business in a lot of countries is probably to bribe, particularly in sectors like arms and oil. If they were to clamp down hard on it they'd lose that business.

The difference is that the producing country like Germany arguably benefits from paying the bribe whereas the receiving country loses. I'm not trying to justify it, just being realistic.
 
Syndyre said:
I'm not surprised they're not doing much tbh. From their perspective the only way for their companies to do business in a lot of countries is probably to bribe, particularly in sectors like arms and oil. If they were to clamp down hard on it they'd lose that business.

The difference is that the producing country like Germany arguably benefits from paying the bribe whereas the receiving country loses. I'm not trying to justify it, just being realistic.
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I agree. IMO, in the arms industry, a sense of good ethics is something that is NOT high on required traits list.
 
sox63 said:
I agree. IMO, in the arms industry, a sense of good ethics is something that is NOT high on required traits list.
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No its probably the sort of thing that gets you quietly eased out, they don't want whistleblowers.
 
I don't think that it was a case of too complex information, but rather that a lot of the local officials would have endangered there own freedom, if all the information was given to the Germans. It is rather a lack of willingness on the part of our government than complex information that is an issue.
 
I read a very interesting book by Mark Thomas a year or so ago where he has school kids set up an international arms trading company. They actually manage to do some deals and it gives some insight into how shady the traders and goverment officials can be

Try (As Used on the Famous Nelson Mandela: Underground Adventures in the Arms and Torture Trade) if you get a chance.

Quite a good laugh at the same time
 
There are too many SA goverment officials and hangers-on, like the Shaiks, involved in the corruption for anythin to ever be handed over to any authorities. The Germans know that it takes two to tango and if you can't get the guilt on the one side (ie the records from the Dept of Justice) how could you ever get the guilt on the other.

In SA, we believe that the tango is a solo dance and that's why only Shaik is in prison and not Zuma too.
 
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