The_Pumpkin_King
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when your theory actualy works in a country like brazil, argentina, india, you know those countries similar to ours, then bump this thread
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when your theory actualy works in a country like brazil, argentina, india, you know those countries similar to ours, then bump this thread
i'll be here to apologize
s0lar
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Disagree, here. The difference is the wealthy have there drugs delivered to their door and is done on the balcony overlooking the more opulent suburbs. They dont get tied up in the whole steal/kill for drug money. They have the resources to take a combination of "benzo's" to appear to functional normally.
Dont misconstrue, decriminalization as getting a sampler pack in the mail. It is still heavily regulated but not sold illegally.
Honestly, what hold would the gangs have over the crack whores? They addict to keep a hold on them? It is somebodies daughter there!! What would the gangs use to buy there safe houses? pay of the cops and stock their chop-shops used after violent hijackings etc?? Really, it should be decriminalized. The current system doesn't work, or we would not be having this thread.
copacetic
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when your theory actualy works in a country like brazil, argentina, india, you know those countries similar to ours, then bump this thread
So your theory is based on absolutely nothing but your own supposition?
Feel free to apologize for your comments about my alleged cannabis smoking on a public forum, pretty damn rude if you ask me.
copacetic
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when your theory actualy works in a country like brazil, argentina, india, you know those countries similar to ours, then bump this thread
Also, as far as I can gather, you are saying 'yay! prohibition rocks!, sure it's not working but they aren't doing it properly, duh.
' In light of an alternative that has been proved to work, you dismiss it and offer what exactly as a solution?
Dolby
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I read it - and a few other sites. Seems it's not legal per se?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
The drug policy of Portugal regards drug abuse as a matter of public health.
Under Portuguese law, there are no criminal penalties for the personal use of any drug.[1][2] Drug abusers are dealt with by administrative and therapeutic means
Individuals found in possession of small quantities of drugs are issued summons. The drugs are confiscated, and the suspect is interviewed by a dissuasion commission including a civil servant, a psychiatrist, and an attorney
And rehabs hardly work with crystal anyhow ; it's pretty addictive and the relapse rate is one of the highest.
Dolby
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Here's another
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8106689.stm
They are still illegal, but a person caught with less than 10 days' supply is not considered a criminal, but a patient. Instead they appear before a Dissuasion Commission.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8106689.stm
They are still illegal, but a person caught with less than 10 days' supply is not considered a criminal, but a patient. Instead they appear before a Dissuasion Commission.
copacetic
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@ Dolby, yeah, pardon me, I had clarified that earlier.
The point is, it it like getting a parking ticket or something, furthermore and most important, they are helped as opposed to being tossed in jail.
The system has been designed to help addicts compassionately, that is the whole point I am trying to make.
I am not suggesting that simply making things legal is going somehow miraculously solve anything.
Sorry about the confusion.
Can we agree that the full legal status is not the relevant issue here?
The point is, it it like getting a parking ticket or something, furthermore and most important, they are helped as opposed to being tossed in jail.
The system has been designed to help addicts compassionately, that is the whole point I am trying to make.
I am not suggesting that simply making things legal is going somehow miraculously solve anything.
Sorry about the confusion.
Can we agree that the full legal status is not the relevant issue here?
copacetic
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The reason for the ten day thing is the fact that dealing is not legal, which I had mentioned earlier.They obviously have to draw a line somewhere.
As mentioned, I should not have suggested fully legalized, my mistake, but I hope that error is not going to distract from the gist of what I am trying to say here.
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No stress - I only stumbled on this thread late and never saw.
I've only been following posts with my name in bold and where I've been quoted
No idea what you've been trying to say ... heheIf you're saying decriminalisation of drugs ois the way forward, logic would disagree with you. BUTon reading, I see stats and results of how effective it actually has worked in the 9 years ... so it must work.
copacetic
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No stress - I only stumbled on this thread late and never saw.
I've only been following posts with my name in bold and where I've been quoted
If you're saying decriminalisation of drugs ois the way forward, logic would disagree with you. BUTon reading, I see stats and results of how effective it actually has worked in the 9 years ... so it must work.
Well, obviously I disagree RE the logic of the matter (as in, I have always seen decriminalization as the sensible thing), coupled with, as you say, the very evident success of the policies shows quite clearly that it does in fact work.
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Please pardon that terrifically awkward sentence.
Good on you, and I genuinely mean that, for looking at the stats and results and drawing a reasonable conclusion, it seems to be a damn rare trait around here.
blunomore
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When government officials themselves are involved in drug dealing, i.e. benefiting from the profits in return for protecting the criminals, drugs and drug dealers will never be fought to the full extent of the law.
pardon? so what you saying is that this woman, who was driven to the edge and beyond, turned to the authorities for help, didn't get it, committed murder and i'm sure it wasn't what she planned, should be in jail? no i think not. because her child turned made her life unbearable she should suffer. it's not like she went out and killed someone for the sake of it.
it's time for the authorities to listen to the people who are crying for help before there is another mother who kills their child. who should be the one in prison in this instance? who should be the one in rehab or the one detoxing? it's not the parents it's the child who is driving everyone around them insane.
throw the child in prison and let them serve a sentence for 2 years. by this time they will have detoxed and maybe their brain cells will have become half normal again.
copacetic
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What is your motivation for this statement? I understand what you mean but what are you saying? That drugs must stay illegal? Just want to know what you are trying to say before I comment.
copacetic
King of the Hippies
By throwing them in jail? :wtf:
Please provide evidence that jail has the slightest chance of rehabilitating a drug user. I thank you in advance.
The_Unbeliever
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throwing a drug addict into jail will not work - they have ways and means of obtaining their drugs as well.
Datura
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It's easier and cheaper in jail.
Nanfeishen
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Decriminalisation is the only way forward. however it is going to force people to address far more serious social issues, and many issues the governments dont actually want to really address, such as general high unemployment, high youth unemployment rates, low-wage jobs, less access to education, less to do because of poverty, police harassment, alienation, victimisation — in other words revealing the very reasons and exposing the very faults governments in general dont want exposed as being the real reason why people use drugs to escape reality.
It is far easy to simply brand it illegal.
It is far easy to simply brand it illegal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/783079.stm
copacetic
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Indeed, well said.
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I have been holding off comment on this topic until now - you have hit the nail on the head.
All I'd like to add is that it is not the drug as much as the things you have mentioned... if not tik then Mandrax/heroin/something yet to be brewed up/etc. Whinging about a specific chemical compound is spastic in the extreme - this is a social illness that is (tinfoil hat time) condoned my govt. behind the scenes.
The_Assimilator
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I don't understand why people insist on treating addicts like they're "sick". Are you forgetting that it was their choice to take that first hit, compared to (say) a person with depression who has no control over what's happening to them? Addicts have voluntarily brought pain upon themselves, yet people seem to think it's worth spending massive amounts of money and sympathy on such a person who is clearly incapable of making a good choice. Is there really any point in "rehabilitating" such people? Would it not be better to use that money and time to help those who are genuinely ill and can do nothing about their illness?
As for the argument about legalising drugs, I doubt it will work in third-world nations such as our own. It won't hurt the dealers because the police are too inefficient and corrupt to stop them as it stands now, it'll just allow them to ply their trade more freely. As for the millions who live below the pverty line, drugs will become another way to escape their miserable lives, just as alcohol already is for many. To extrapolate and say "it worked in Portugal so it'll work in SA" is naive and ignores the many differences between these two nations.
As for the argument about legalising drugs, I doubt it will work in third-world nations such as our own. It won't hurt the dealers because the police are too inefficient and corrupt to stop them as it stands now, it'll just allow them to ply their trade more freely. As for the millions who live below the pverty line, drugs will become another way to escape their miserable lives, just as alcohol already is for many. To extrapolate and say "it worked in Portugal so it'll work in SA" is naive and ignores the many differences between these two nations.