Tim Noakes diet is 'criminal'

In any event, we should really not base our important health decisions on personalities and/or the status quo.

What we should base them on, is the prevailing evidence.

I feel that I am doing this, and the response by my body over the last 8 or nine months really gives me no reason to think I am putting myself in harms way (quite the opposite, in fact).

I am utterly open to evidence that shows I am doing the wrong thing - I've just not been provided, or come across any that is particularly compelling.
 
Archer said:
And because you said it, it must be so! :rolleyes: Let me try let me try

HF is as old as mankind, I said it, therefore it must be true!
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Have a look at what chimps eat and say that again.

Complete BS and you know it, humans are hardly out of the bushes and caves.
 
Jola said:
Have a look at what chimps eat and say that again.

Complete BS and you know it, humans are hardly out of the bushes and caves.
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1) What are chimps life expectancy? :p
2) See Korn1's post

Try again maybe without so much fail?
 
Not sure if anyone cares, but I shall add my own experience here.

I've been eating low carb, high fat (and chocolate whenever I feel like it) for three and a half years now. For me, it originally came from paleo, but I added dairy, because I love cheese. I lost 30 kg in three years and have maintained it since then. Blood glucose and cholesterol have been very good and stable. I have more energy now than any previous time in my life.

Instead of calling it criminal, I will use terms such as life changing, enlightening, etc. That's my personal experience anyway.
 
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Hi all, I have been reading the posts here and I must say that there are passionate people from both spectrums regarding this topic. If there is however one thing that I would like people to take from my post to this thread is that if done right it can be benefical - IF your body is suited to this lifestyle. If you going to do it "half" then rather don't start it.

To sum up my story...I have been a type 2 diabetic for a number of years. In November 2013 my diabetic specialist wanted to up my insulin and medication and then she warned that the next step would be a pump. I was completely floored and begged her to give me 3 months to "improve" my readings...I read the South African Medical Journal (aka Huisgenoot :D) and found an article about a chap who controlled his diabetes by diet. I did a lot of research and decided to give the LCHF "diet" a chance.

Now for the skeptics out there I posted my medical results on my blog - URL - feel free to ask the doctor to give it a look and comment - I welcome it. Anyway lets say the diet worked for me!

I lost like 25kgs in 3 months and I am no longer taking medication. Why not taking medication you ask? Because I was dipping so low that I would start shaking and feeling nauseous. My diabetic specialist and I are closely monitoring my progress and at least I can say that it worked for me. I did not start this lifestyle to loose weight, I did it to control my diabetes.

My wife, bless her soul, in the beginning would try and follow my diet but would also snack on no-no's and never lost a gram. When she went on it properly she lost 12kg. I am not saying this diet is easy - don't get me wrong. I am saying that if you are going to do it, do it properly. In fact don't think of it as a diet, think of it as a lifestyle.

Long story short, each to his own. If it works for you great, if not then find something that does for your body. Only you know what is good for you.

If you want to read my posts (I have not updated in a while due to work commitments) regarding this topic have a look at: http://outofmymind.scanlen.com/?cat=20
 
Jola said:
Ok, I will take that back, we all know that there are a lot of crackpot GP's around.

They seem to have been quoted a lot in this thread.
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The big issue is the methodology and really methodology in favour of the 50s dietary constructs are not looking good. The research in favour of discarding a large portion of what is presented as infallible medical knowledge in an entire array of practice by both medical and allied disciplines is deeply wrong and in need of revision. As I have said before I am very weary of statements about diets on large sections of the population that discard an understanding of economic realities

- you are welcome to criticize Noakes on a celebrity medicine approach - although in comparison to Dr Oz ....
 
Jola said:
Dalby was speaking in his field of expertise. Noakes wasn't.

No double standards.
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If you want to use that logic, then neither are experts, since the discussion they had was about the general ramifications of a high fat diet.

So far, the best you have seems to be: 'Noakes is a quack' (he's apparently not authorised to present evidence, despite his rather extensive qualifications related to the human body and how it works, but a cardiologist is automagically an expert), 'there's evidence somewhere on the forum that the diet is very dangerous' (but not providing the link) and a couple of cautionary sentences in a multiple page paper in what struck me as en essentially positive look at the effects of keto on the human body.

But again - If we go where the evidence takes us, do we need figureheads to worship and/or slate? I don't think we do...
 
I completely agree on the low carbon and low sugar approach, and of course portion control.

The last 60 years has wreaked havoc in those respects. Just look at an old movie or photo and see how slim people were.

But HF is just not part of our evolutionary make up.

Of course, if you are a YEC then you may have a different opinion. Good luck with that.
 
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Jola said:
Dalby was speaking in his field of expertise. Noakes wasn't.

No double standards.
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Metabolism is certainly one of Noakes recognized field of expertise - whether there has been bootstrapping of discourse and the consequences of the Matthew effect is another debate
 
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