Tim Noakes diet is 'criminal'

[Jola]

Perhaps I am missing something?

This :

A period of low carbohydrate ketogenic diet may help to control hunger and may improve fat oxidative metabolism and therefore reduce body weight. Furthermore new kinds of ketogenic diets using meals that mimic carbohydrate rich foods could improve the compliance to the diet [78]. Attention should be paid to patient’s renal function and to the transition phase from ketogenic diet to a normal diet that should be gradual and well controlled [69]. The duration of ketogenic diet may range from a minimum (to induce the physiological ketosis) of 2–3 weeks to a maximum (following a general precautionary principle) of many months (6–12 months). Correctly understood the ketogenic diet can be a useful tool to treat obesity in the hands of the physician.

 

[Sinbad]

Strange that you would call out a doctor as having a vested interest in a specific line of thinking and totally ignore Noakes' vested interest. Doctors undoubtedly have vested interests that may influence their judgement, but don't for one second think that Tim Noakes doesn't.

Sure.
Tim Noakes wrote what is essentially the bible of running - which included carbo-loading and all the "traditional" nutrition advice.

When he discovered this way of eating, he basically told the world to tear out the entire section of his book on nutrition.

Strikes me that he's actually a lot more open minded and willing to admit he's wrong than the rest of the docs out there.

 

[KalMaverick]

I'm not an expert on the Masai.

And I don't read books by quacks.

And how exactly is Nina Teicholz a quack?

She comes from an unbiased point of view, she also studied biology and has a master's degree from Oxford university.

In any case I told you to read the book because it shows how nutritionist came to believe what they do and how fundamentally flawed their thinking was.

 

[Sinbad]

And I don't read books by anyone who doesn't spout the party line.

FTFY.

 

[icyrus]

Sure.
Tim Noakes wrote what is essentially the bible of running - which included carbo-loading and all the "traditional" nutrition advice.

When he discovered this way of eating, he basically told the world to tear out the entire section of his book on nutrition.

... and buy his new book with the "real truth".

Strikes me that he's actually a lot more open minded and willing to admit he's wrong than the rest of the docs out there.

Sure, as long as there is profit to be had.

 

[pulling wire]

Don't the Masaai have a life expectancy of about 45 years?

Also, if you cut out processed carbohydrates and sugar but keep a balanced diet of raw carbs, meat and vegetables you'll lose just as much weight as you will on the banting diet.

You think life expectancy is determined solely by dietary factors?
You right about your second point.
I would only add that one needs to be aware of portion sizes. If we ate in moderation their would not be a problem.
If we had a slice of cake, a 50g slab of chocolate, a 30g packet of potatoe crisps. two or three alcoholic beverages an a can of coke, a takeaway meal every two weeks we would be exercising self control.

 

[Sinbad]

... and buy his new book with the "real truth".

Still takes integrity to admit to the world you were wrong...
Especially knowing in advance how the establishment would vilify you.

 

[icyrus]

Still takes integrity to admit to the world you were wrong...

More so if you do it without trying to sell the world that you are now right.

 

[Jola]

here I thought my father could practice as a medical doctor because he holds an medical and surgery bachelors degree (Tim Noakes got his MBChB in 1974 according to wiki)
and that an MD stands for doctor of medicine - so a real doctor (Tim Noakes got that one in 1981 according to wiki, but not sure where so whether it is British or American one)

O and he holds the senior doctorate in medical sciences

So ja listen to a doctor ...

His first degree is just a bachelor's and his senior doctorate is in sport science/medicine.

That makes him a quack in the dietary field.

I will take a cardiologist over that any day when it comes to cholesterol / cardiac issues.

 

[Sinbad]

More so if you do it without trying to sell the world that you are now right.

Is everything you ever do purely for virtuous, unselfish reasons? Or do you work for money?

 

[Sinbad]

His first degree is just a bachelor's and his senior doctorate is in sport science/medicine.

That makes him a quack in the dietary field.

I will take a cardiologist over that any day when it comes to cholesterol / cardiac issues.

And you continue with the ad hominems.

 

[icyrus]

Is everything you ever do purely for virtuous, unselfish reasons? Or do you work for money?

Relevance? You want to paint it as Tim Noakes has less vested interest in his point of view than a doctor might. Surely you can see that that is not the case?

 

[Sinbad]

Relevance? You want to paint it as Tim Noakes has less vested interest in his point of view than a doctor might. Surely you can see that that is not the case?

I'm painting it that Tim Noakes made his money and his fame. He could have retired happily. Instead, he recanted, admitted he was wrong.
What's wrong with making some money off it too? After all, Cardiologist Dalby certainly makes money off HIS career? He would make LESS money if suddenly there was a way to AVOID heart disease altogether, wouldn't he? And THEREIN lies HIS vested interest in maintaining the established beliefs.

 

[Galactica]

I will take a cardiologist over that any day when it comes to cholesterol / cardiac issues.

100%.

 

[Sinbad]

100%.

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Cardiologist on the left, correct?

 

[Jola]

And how exactly is Nina Teicholz a quack?

She comes from an unbiased point of view, she also studied biology and has a master's degree from Oxford university.

In any case I told you to read the book because it shows how nutritionist came to believe what they do and how fundamentally flawed their thinking was.

I have never hear of her, and are those qualifications supposed to impress me ?

I would rather go with the cardiologists.

You guys also seem to forget that humans got out of the bush a mere 50k years ago.

If you want to know what to eat look at the great apes, we were eating like that for millions of years.

 

[Sinbad]

I have never hear of her, and are those qualifications supposed to impress me ?

I would rather go with the cardiologists.

You guys also seem to forget that humans got out of the bush a mere 50k years ago.

If you want to know what to eat look at the great apes, we were eating like that for millions of years.

What's the life expectancy of a chimp?

 

[Sodan]

I'm painting it that Tim Noakes made his money and his fame. He could have retired happily. Instead, he recanted, admitted he was wrong.
What's wrong with making some money off it too? After all, Cardiologist Dalby certainly makes money off HIS career? He would make LESS money if suddenly there was a way to AVOID heart disease altogether, wouldn't he? And THEREIN lies HIS vested interest in maintaining the established beliefs.

It's not just about him making less money, it's A LOT to do with pride. To admit that everything you have been espousing for (in many cases) decades is incorrect? Most of the rest of the medical practitioners will eventually come round, but (as the saying goes): pride is a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[icyrus]

I'm painting it that Tim Noakes made his money and his fame. He could have retired happily. Instead, he recanted, admitted he was wrong.

He recanted in a new book he is selling. This wasn't a mea culpa as much as it was a marketing plan.

What's wrong with making some money off it too? After all,

Nothing, until you assume his intentions are some how purer.

Cardiologist Dalby certainly makes money off HIS career? He would make LESS money if suddenly there was a way to AVOID heart disease altogether, wouldn't he? And THEREIN lies HIS vested interest in maintaining the established beliefs.

There is no chance of that happening. Dalby and cardiologists are not going to be short of work even if everyone took up Noakes' diet.

 

[KalMaverick]

I have never hear of her, and are those qualifications supposed to impress me ?

Wait, so you have never heard of her yet automatically label her a quack?

Good to know how open-minded you are.

Michael R. Eades, MD

“This meticulously researched book thoroughly dismantles the current dietary dogma that fat—particularly saturated fat—is bad for us. Teicholz brings to life the key personalities in the field and uncovers how nutritional science has gotten it so wrong. There aren't enough superlatives to describe this journalistic tour de force. I read it twice: once for the information and again just for the writing.”

David Perlmutter, MD

“Nina Teicholz reveals the disturbing underpinnings of the profoundly misguided dietary recommendations that have permeated modern society, culminating in our overall health decline. But The Big Fat Surprise is refreshingly empowering. This wonderfully researched text provides the reader with total validation for welcoming healthful fats back to the table, paving the way for weight loss, health and longevity.”

William Davis, MD

“A page-turner story of science gone wrong: what Gary Taubes did in Good Calories, Bad Calories for debunking the connection between fat consumption and obesity, Nina Teicholz now does in Big Fat Surprise for the purported connection between fat and heart disease. Misstep-by misstep, blunder by blunder, Ms. Teicholz recounts the statistical cherry-picking, political finagling, and pseudoscientific bullying that brought us to yet another of the biggest mistakes in health and nutrition, the low-fat and low-saturated fat myth for heart health.”

Sylvia R. Karasu, MD, Psychology Today

"Teicholz’s book is well worth reading. It is an eye-opening dissection of some of the long-held nutrition myths we have accepted as fact."

Yes, just a quack I'm sure. Just like all the MDs above it seems...