Tim Noakes diet is 'criminal'

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I found this one to be quite useful in showing just how dangerous LCHF is, and that it should only be taken for a limited period under medical supervision for the treatment of obesity, and with regular kidney tests :

A period of low carbohydrate ketogenic diet may help to control hunger and may improve fat oxidative metabolism and therefore reduce body weight. Furthermore new kinds of ketogenic diets using meals that mimic carbohydrate rich foods could improve the compliance to the diet [78]. Attention should be paid to patient’s renal function and to the transition phase from ketogenic diet to a normal diet that should be gradual and well controlled [69]. The duration of ketogenic diet may range from a minimum (to induce the physiological ketosis) of 2–3 weeks to a maximum (following a general precautionary principle) of many months (6–12 months). Correctly understood the ketogenic diet can be a useful tool to treat obesity in the hands of the physician.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945587/
 
Jola said:
Do what you wish, a repeat of this argument is on MyBB, and all the evidence is there. Funny enough, it was an medical research article provided by MOB that provided direct evidence of all the dangers of the LCHF diet.

I'm not going through all this again, and am quite happy that you go on quoting your quacks as evidence of your BS theories.
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Yes, and it's OMB not MOB and I left the last argument because of your total intransigence to accept the fact that there might be another possibility when it comes to nutrition. To date you still haven't posted a single shred of evidence to back up your claims (at least I made an attempt even if you found something in my effort which you claim supports your perspective). You can stick with your cardiologist buddy and his ilk, when I keel over and die from a heart attack due to excessive fat consumption then you can have the last laugh, until then sorry...
 
Ol' Mean Bastid said:
Yes, and it's OMB not MOB and I left the last argument because of your total intransigence to accept the fact that there might be another possibility when it comes to nutrition. To date you still haven't posted a single shred of evidence to back up your claims (at least I made an attempt even if you found something in my effort which you claim supports your perspective). You can stick with your cardiologist buddy and his ilk, when I keel over and die from a heart attack due to excessive fat consumption then you can have the last laugh, until then sorry...
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Do what you like, I will believe a cardiologist like Dalby over a quack like Noakes any day of the week.
 
Jola said:
Start here :

I found this one to be quite useful in showing just how dangerous LCHF is, and that it should only be taken for a limited period under medical supervision for the treatment of obesity, and with regular kidney tests :



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945587/
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Oh wait, I thought we weren't allowed to use articles found on PubMed because it's nothing more than a search engine where you can find all sorts of crap
 
Jola said:
Start here :

I found this one to be quite useful in showing just how dangerous LCHF is, and that it should only be taken for a limited period under medical supervision for the treatment of obesity, and with regular kidney tests :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945587/
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Well, I read about half of that, until I got to this bit:

During physiological ketosis ketonemia reaches maximum levels of 7/8 mmol/L with no change in pH while in uncontrolled diabetic ketoacidosis it can exceed 20 mmol/L with a concomitant lowering of blood pH [11] (Table 1). Blood levels of ketone bodies in healthy people do not exceed 8 mmol/L precisely because the central nervous system (CNS) efficiently uses these molecules for energy in place of glucose.
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Which is exactly what I suggested in an earlier post as the problem (your confusion between nutritional ketosis [not unhealthy, as far as we know, at this stage] and ketoacidosis [very dangerous]).

Up until that point the paper was not saying anything I vehemently disagreed with, nor anything that relates to the claim you made.

Perhaps I am missing something?
 
I just scanned through the rest if it. There is nothing in there that paints a LCHF diet as being dangerous. The gist of it is that there is not enough evidence to say it's dangerous, and lists pages and pages of apparent beneficial effects. I'm totally willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and accept that those gaps in evidence might indicate data more amenable to the 'it's dangerous' claim, but there's really no evidence whatsoever in the article you linked that backs this up.

I don't get it. Being anti-Noakes seems to induce in people logic of the same variety as generally encountered in Jehova's Witnesses.
 
copacetic said:
I just scanned through the rest if it. There is nothing in there that paints a LCHF diet as being dangerous. The gist of it is that there is not enough evidence to say it's dangerous, and lists pages and pages of apparent beneficial effects. I'm totally willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and accept that those gaps in evidence might indicate data more amenable to the 'it's dangerous' claim, but there's really no evidence whatsoever in the article you linked that backs this up.

I don't get it. Being anti-Noakes seems to induce in people logic of the same variety as generally encountered in Jehova's Witnesses.
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Gaza vs Israel :p
 
xrapidx said:
BS. There were tons of people doing LCHF before he came along, myself included, when it was necessary.
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I'm sure there were. That doesn't change the fact that if someone says 'I'm doing the Tim Noakes diet', the people around them will know what they are talking about. Noakes himself calls it banting...
 
Don't the Masaai have a life expectancy of about 45 years?

Also, if you cut out processed carbohydrates and sugar but keep a balanced diet of raw carbs, meat and vegetables you'll lose just as much weight as you will on the banting diet.
 
Jola said:
You can't really compare those, the Masai eat a lot of grains (high carbs), and drink blood. Also, what is their life expectancy ?

You would have to look at a study of these groups, you can't just quote them like that.
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As I said, I suggest before you blindly follow something read the book. Your understanding shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.
 
BobsLawnService said:
Don't the Masaai have a life expectancy of about 45 years?

Also, if you cut out processed carbohydrates and sugar but keep a balanced diet of raw carbs, meat and vegetables you'll lose just as much weight as you will on the banting diet.
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My points exactly !

Also what the cardiologists (like Dalby) and dieticians say.
 
Galactica said:
I'd rather listen to a Doctor than a "sport scientist".
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here I thought my father could practice as a medical doctor because he holds an medical and surgery bachelors degree (Tim Noakes got his MBChB in 1974 according to wiki)
and that an MD stands for doctor of medicine - so a real doctor (Tim Noakes got that one in 1981 according to wiki, but not sure where so whether it is British or American one)

O and he holds the senior doctorate in medical sciences

So ja listen to a doctor ...
 
Sinbad said:
The doctor is just regurgitating what he was taught in med school (and what pays his salary). A bit like the people who wanted Copernicus tortured because he said the earth wasn't the centre of the universe?
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Strange that you would call out a doctor as having a vested interest in a specific line of thinking and totally ignore Noakes' vested interest. Doctors undoubtedly have vested interests that may influence their judgement, but don't for one second think that Tim Noakes doesn't.
 
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