Time-in the markets or timing?

[supersunbird]

Absolutely not!
But the only way I can see of covering costs is to add advertising on the site,
how do I get advertising if I cant tell them how many people view the site?

How does MyBB or News24 or wherever get advertising revenue from the news page or the guest users I wonder?

 

[supersunbird]

Rubbish...even Buffet knows when its time to sell. He prefers not having to sell however he has
sold more share more times in his life than I ever will.

Lets go into resources in 2013 because its so low, can't go any lower.... glad I didn't try to time that market.

 

[bchip]

Lets go into resources in 2013 because its so low, can't go any lower.... glad I didn't try to time that market.

if you think a valuation by an investor is simply looking at whether a price is low....

From a fundamental or a technical point of view there was no reason to go into resources in 2013.

 

[Deleted member 83147]

Absolutely not!
But the only way I can see of covering costs is to add advertising on the site,
how do I get advertising if I cant tell them how many people view the site?

Ok, just making sure, coz that's what it sounded like.

I honestly have very limited understanding of how internet advertising works, but I assume it's got something to do with users clicking on ads and that generates revenue for you. I guess other fixed price per month ads would be different.

Rubbish...even Buffet knows when its time to sell. He prefers not having to sell however he has
sold more share more times in his life than I ever will.

I don't know why, but I'm just not a fan of selling shares. Unless I feel the company has reached it's peak and it's only downhill from here, then I'll sell. But I can't see this being the case too often.

I'd rather just keep the shares if they are performing relatively well (in the long term, ignoring short term fluctuations) and reinvest the dividends until such a time where I'll be living off said dividends.

 

[bchip]

I honestly have very limited understanding of how internet advertising works, but I assume it's got something to do with users clicking on ads and that generates revenue for you. I guess other fixed price per month ads would be different.

If there was any other way of doing these things I would...I am not a salesman, I am not in advertsing,
...really Im good at systems, Im good at research and I do well on the markets.
If there was any way of not having to do these things and still build a community where I help and interact with others I would do it...I just cant think of any sustainable way to do this otherwise.

Anyways thats not really your concern - on your other comment
Im not a fan of selling shares either, I like being a lazy investor, unfortunately what most people dont realize is that weve been going through a "roaring 20s" of the 21st century. So any chart you look at advertises "just buy the dip and hold"
over the past ~20 years. Anybody who has been in the markets longer than that will tell you its just not that easy.

Buffet has back pains because of the market that he had to go see special doctors and buy special seats. The markets arent easy for any seasoned investor, it unfortunately takes hard work.

The buy and hold idea is what I question in the article where I show 2 examples where there were 20+ year bear markets, ie you would buy at university and still hold losses when you were in your late 40s.

I cant predict an exact top, but pure complacency watching a share price go down everyday is not on my cards either.
Those who went through the 2008 crash will know what I mean.
My philosophy is not to time an exact top but to have an exit strategy in case the risks increase.

 

[FrankieK]

Bchip, I fully agree with everything you say and will get rid of a bad investment in a heartbeat but you have to see investing from the perspective of 99% of the investing population. Most people have neither the time nor the inclination to pay attention to these things. Path of least resistance is a monthly debit order to their RA or mutual fund or the like.

 

[saturnz]

My philosophy is not to time an exact top but to have an exit strategy in case the risks increase.

So asset managers are judged by the amount of money they have to manage, basically the value of their portfolio under their control.

I doubt anyone has given you any money to manage, but how much growth did you actually achieve, what is your historic performance in terms of percentages and figures? Which timed trades have you done in the past year?

 

[bchip]

Most people have neither the time nor the inclination to pay attention to these things.

Is it surprising that the majority cant afford to retire after 60?
Personally I make time because how important it is. Not having time or energy is not an excuse in my books.

I doubt anyone has given you any money to manage, but how much growth did you actually achieve, what is your historic performance in terms of percentages and figures? Which timed trades have you done in the past year?

You seem to follow me from thread to thread with the same question...so to answer it as
was actually doing the work this week

Yes I invest for others, only very close people.
My investments managed to average around 40% every year, compounded growth since 2009.
I posted a trading system that returned roughly 100% in 2014...anyone couldve followed it, its posted for free on the internet.
However Im only expecting around 15% returns per annum for the next 3 to 5 years with my current investments.

Yes with some shares I can carry on with buying at exact bottoms and selling at exact tops,
with others I was early and with other shares I lost money.
Im not going into the detail, as thats just stupid. Those are the overall results.

I hope that finally answers your question so you can stop hounding me on that.
I post 2 trading systems on my site with their exact results, I will posting more so you can follow it yourself

Make of those results what you will.

 

[saturnz]

I hope that finally answers your question so you can stop hounding me on that.
I post 2 trading systems on my site with their exact results, I will posting more so you can follow it yourself

Make of those results what you will.

nope you haven't really answered my question so I will continue hounding you on that.

 

[bchip]

nope you haven't really answered my question so I will continue hounding you on that.

If you really want to know more about the difficulties I went through
(which I think is what your really asking) and my own results,
I go through my trading experience in 2013/2014 the difficulties I had trading some systems,
I talk about my capitalization and money management issues and what I learned.
I explain where I struggled and what I learned.
I am very thankfully up a lot since then.

The video is open and free.

I dont think you understand, at no point am I claiming to be a market guru.
What Ive gone through and the results Ive had has come with more blood, sweat and tears than anybody should go through.
Thats the exact reason why I started the club is to help people get through this.

 

[^^vampire^^]

On your website side: If you make it open and visible then the people will come. How do we know your site will add value and make us want to register unless you give us the want to register. You get people registering by having forums etc where they can a) perceive the value (such as reading an article you write) and b) want to interact on the topics (giving feedback and thought on your article and other peoples comments).

You gauge how many people view your site using google analytics. All the info you could ever need is there. Hell you could tell potential advertisers how many people with their language set to russian view your site weekly if you wanted to.

 

[bchip]

On your website side: If you make it open and visible then the people will come. How do we know your site will add value and make us want to register unless you give us the want to register. You get people registering by having forums etc where they can a) perceive the value (such as reading an article you write) and b) want to interact on the topics (giving feedback and thought on your article and other peoples comments).

You gauge how many people view your site using google analytics. All the info you could ever need is there. Hell you could tell potential advertisers how many people with their language set to russian view your site weekly if you wanted to.

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.

Seems I might have to rethink the approach a bit.

I have added forums already though, which allows to be viewed and to contribute you need to register.

I will look into google analytics as well, I havent used it before.

 

[AstroTurf]

No registering.

kbye