Time Travel Impossible

Archer

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I knew i should have bloody linked it, now i cannot find it on bbc haha but ya i think bbc did perhaps over state it because reading other stories i cannot find the same thing :D.

Curse those mysterious links that you can never find when you need them! :p Had it happen many a time to me
 

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If it were possible though do you guys think it would be terminator rules "1-way only" or back to the future rules where back and forth is possible....or timerider which is just plain silly?
 

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Please explain to me (in laymans terms if possible) how come there's no build up of energy? If light is going in one end and coming out the other but but slowed down in the middle, then wouldn't there be a huge queue at the beginning of the thing that slows down light? I'm no physicist, but it would be an interesting thing to know.

You thinking of light as having volume instead of the flow of particles that have none. Well then it depends on your method of observation as as it can be a wave.

My personal take on the experiment:
The light that is trapped in the "speed trap" have no influence on the light that is entering or exciting the container so there would be no build up before it also the fact that it has no volume means that the light exiting would occupy the same space as the light that entered while it was slowed down so the wave would not have increased exiting.

How they know they stopped it is that no new light entered and light was stopped as nothing was emitted at the other end, when they increased the temperature inside the container, light exited again without the need for light to enter.

If it were possible though do you guys think it would be terminator rules "1-way only" or back to the future rules where back and forth is possible....or timerider which is just plain silly?

Personally I think time travel is only possible in the parallel universe type of way.

There is just no way to overcome the Grandfather paradox. So back and forth would just take you to alternative universes where that outcome is based on your actions, in kind of the same way that every decision splits into another universe.
 
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I don't think we can say anything is impossible until proven so.

True but I would love to know if it was possible how the Grandfather paradox would take its course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

The grandfather paradox is a proposed paradox of time travel first described (in this exact form) by the science fiction writer René Barjavel in his 1943 book Le Voyageur Imprudent (The Imprudent Traveller).[1] The paradox is this: suppose a man traveled back in time and killed his biological grandfather before the latter met the traveler's grandmother. As a result, one of the traveler's parents (and by extension the traveler himself) would never have been conceived. This would imply that he could not have traveled back in time after all, which means the grandfather would still be alive, and the traveler would have been conceived allowing him to travel back in time and kill his grandfather. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation, a type of logical paradox.

Despite the name, the grandfather paradox does not exclusively regard the impossibility of one's own birth. Rather, it regards any action that makes impossible the ability to travel back in time in the first place. The paradox's namesake example is merely the most commonly thought of when one considers the whole range of possible actions. Another example would be using scientific knowledge to invent a time machine, then going back in time and (whether through murder or otherwise) impeding a scientist's work that would eventually lead to the very information that you used to invent the time machine.

An equivalent paradox is known (in philosophy) as autoinfanticide, going back in time and killing oneself as a baby.[2]

The grandfather paradox has been used to argue that backwards time travel must be impossible.[citation needed] However, a number of hypotheses have been postulated[citation needed] to avoid the paradox, such as the idea that the past is unchangeable, so the grandfather must have already survived the attempted killing; or the time traveler creates an alternate time line in which the traveler was never born.
 

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Don't we time travel everytime we fly oversees to australia/america?
 

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hmm...I'm not a quantum physicist but I do know a little bit about scientific method.

They base their findings on 2 main assumptions and 1 observation:
1) "if nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, time travel is not possible"
2) a single photon is the fundamental quanta of light; i.e. you cant break it down further
3) a single photon obeys the traffic law of the universe, ie. it cannot travel faster than c

So they by proving 3 they have proven time travel is not possible.

however should one not question their assumptions 1 and 2
1) assumption 1 is based on humanity's experience of time...i.e. we percieve time to be linear; and so therefore to 'time travel' we immediately think we have to, well, travel or move. therefore no one thinks of the possibility of 'time travel' by just switching into another dimension (here I'm thinking wormholes, etc). For an entertaining take on this read the book "Slaughter House 5" by Kurt Vonnegut

2) there must be enough literature to prove (for now at least) that a single photon is the fundamental quanta of light. But didnt we also think that an atom was the smallest particle and was unbreakable, until we discovered, oh ***** this thing is made up of electrons and photons and there are even smaller more fundamental particles. For another entertaining look at this read "A short history of nearly everything" - bryson

So they might be right today (ie. time travel is not possible), but tomorrow it might "become" possible again as someone refutes those assumptions with new obervations
 
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@Kompete
Anything with MASS simply cannot go faster than light. You can cheat the system by warping space, or using wormholes, but everything that we know today says you cannot travel faster than light locally if you have any amount of mass.
Particles without mass, or information can however go FTL.
 

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@Kompete
Anything with MASS simply cannot go faster than light. You can cheat the system by warping space, or using wormholes, but everything that we know today says you cannot travel faster than light locally if you have any amount of mass.
Particles without mass, or information can however go FTL.

That's what the equation implies, you see: E=MC^2
If that's correct, and we are more and more sure evey decade that it is, then to get a given mass to the speed of light would require infinite energy.
Edit: sorry, was expanding your point, not talking to you
 
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Mike Hoxbig

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I understand what you trying to say only one small problem, time is relative. See Time dilation

According to the theory of relativity, time stands still at the speed of light or the maximim speed. Example for you it will seem that the photon leaving the sun took 8 minutes to get here but for the photon itself it happened in an instant. That is why I say you can not pass the barrier of lightspeed as time stands still and you will not be able to react as you need time to do so.

Time travel approached from quantum physics is a total different matter as we know particles jump forwards and backwards all the time, and can also be at 2 places at once so in theory covers your point A to B argument.
Related to that is the famous Twin Paradox thought experiment.
 

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True but I would love to know if it was possible how the Grandfather paradox would take its course:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

Time is just one image in a filmstrip, therefore all the realities that have past the stage at which the son was concieved would still go on to create him, but all the realities that have yet to get to that point in time, will have changed(and he would cease to exist within them)
 

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Most all "time travel freaks" miss one very important fact.

background: We use a 3 dimensional coordinate system in space.

Even if you could travel back in time, you cannot change the fact that the cosmos is in constant motion.
If you somehow transport yourself back to 1954 you'd end up in empty space (where the Earth was in 1954).
The Earth (and everything else in the cosmos) has moved on.

If you can find a way to dial back (de-rotate) the Earth (and everything else in the cosmos), well THEN time travel will be possible.
But until then it's just science fiction.

The motion of the universe dictates time.
Change THAT, and you can time travel.
 
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