Tongaat Hulett Troubles

[TooFastTim]

Wonder if corn syrup is covered under sugar tax?

I picked up some drink in the states and there was a label "MADE WITH REAL SUGAR", couldn't quite figure out why they would be advertising that as if it's a good thing.

American friend told me:
"Corn farmers are subsidized heavily, so everyone grows corn.
There's so much that they started making sugar our of it.
Now everyone is fat and has type 2 diabetes"

African Products make glucose from maize.

 

[wizardofid]

The debate if suger is addictive or not is basically moot. We should debate if a highly refined carb is healthy or no. Every person must make his/her own easement but in my mind it can not be good. Humans had no obesity issue until they start consuming sugar and refined carbs.

Actually no, food surplus started around 12000 years ago, however there might have been cases of obese people 35 000 years ago, however exceedingly rare it is still open to speculation.That said it also depended on the diet, hunter gathers, farming access to fruit and fish ect. People in Africa at the time were significantly thinner, then people that had better access and constant access to food supply.

Surplus food storage around 12 000 years ago changed things, once you have a secure food source and plenty of it equal distribution of food no longer applied among the rich at least the poor still suffered regardless.

 

[BBSA]

Actually no, food surplus started around 12000 years ago, however there might have been cases of obese people 35 000 years ago, however exceedingly rare it is still open to speculation.That said it also depended on the diet, hunter gathers, farming access to fruit and fish ect. People in Africa at the time were significantly thinner, then people that had better access and constant access to food supply.

Surplus food storage around 12 000 years ago changed things, once you have a secure food source and plenty of it equal distribution of food no longer applied among the rich at least the poor still suffered regardless.

Maybe there was a few case of obesity, but nothing like the epidemic we see the last 100 years.

 

[Lupus]

African Products make glucose from maize.

That they do, super sweet.

 

[wizardofid]

Maybe there was a few case of obesity, but nothing like the epidemic we see the last 100 years.

No they were pretty fat ancient Romans and Greeks in the more affluent reaches of population were fat, gladiators were fat veterinarians.Same applies germanics and English. Greeks eventually started with diets.To be fat was considered beautiful, survival rates, during famine or drought even decease increased drastically with people being obese.

That said life expectancy being quite low, overly obese wasn't common, with the modern age of medicine changed life expectancy drastically and improvement of food storage also didn't help. No surprise that diet is derived from the greek word Dietia.

But like you said it wasn't a major health issue for the large part of the population as is now.But your original statement saying people were always thin is incorrect.

 

[Lupus]

No they were pretty fat ancient Romans and Greeks in the more affluent reaches of population were fat, gladiators were fat veterinarians.Same applies germanics and English. Greeks eventually started with diets.To be fat was considered beautiful, survival rates, during famine or drought even decease increased drastically with people being obese.

That said life expectancy being quite low, overly obese wasn't common, with the modern age of medicine changed life expectancy drastically and improvement of food storage also didn't help. No surprise that diet is derived from the greek word Dietia.

But like you said it wasn't a major health issue for the large part of the population as is now.But your original statement saying people were always thin is incorrect.

To be fair, they had other concerns than being fat. Stubbing your toe could cost you your life.

 

[BBSA]

No they were pretty fat ancient Romans and Greeks in the more affluent reaches of population were fat, gladiators were fat veterinarians.Same applies germanics and English. Greeks eventually started with diets.To be fat was considered beautiful, survival rates, during famine or drought even decease increased drastically with people being obese.

That said life expectancy being quite low, overly obese wasn't common, with the modern age of medicine changed life expectancy drastically and improvement of food storage also didn't help. No surprise that diet is derived from the greek word Dietia.

But like you said it wasn't a major health issue for the large part of the population as is now.But your original statement saying people were always thin is incorrect.

I never said people was always thin.

 

[wizardofid]

I never said people was always thin.

you specifically mentioned, since "refinement" of sugar and carbs. As a recent development, dishes even peasant dishes contained pasta's, oats, rye, and barley, wheat was "upper class", sugar and honey was also used since the medieval times, considering even the poor had access to things like honey and sugar, obesity has been going on quite a long time even before the industrial age, or refined, it isn't some thing that is well documented, it's not like you can tell the skeletal difference between a obese and thin person either.Your implying that obesity is a recent development with the original statement you made. Which it is not.

Obesity can be traced back at least 12 000 years, with increased food security, being an example.Venus of Willendorf fertility doll some speculate as indication of obesity being present in societies already, 22 000 years ago.

Food securirty and population growth, and life expectancy and documentation just made it more pronounced.Thousands or 100's of years ago the world population was significantly smaller, a 1000 obese people in today's terms wouldn't be out of the normal, it might have been back then.

Also have to consider you don't get fat just from sugars and carbs, any rich food source that is secure and plentiful will do that.It has been shown once food security is in place, societal importance of gathering or hunting food drastically shifted over time.In other words people became lazy gits........

 

[qscwbt]

So people are eating less sugar. Its not the end.
Start using sugar cane to produce ethanol.
For a Win win

1. Hulett expands there range
2. New industry means more jobs.
3. Add this to our fuel 25%. Its cleaner burning. and we can get better performance and 25% less oil to import.

 

[BBSA]

you specifically mentioned, since "refinement" of sugar and carbs. As a recent development, dishes even peasant dishes contained pasta's, oats, rye, and barley, wheat was "upper class", sugar and honey was also used since the medieval times, considering even the poor had access to things like honey and sugar, obesity has been going on quite a long time even before the industrial age, or refined, it isn't some thing that is well documented, it's not like you can tell the skeletal difference between a obese and thin person either.Your implying that obesity is a recent development with the original statement you made. Which it is not.

Obesity can be traced back at least 12 000 years, with increased food security, being an example.Venus of Willendorf fertility doll some speculate as indication of obesity being present in societies already, 22 000 years ago.

Food securirty and population growth, and life expectancy and documentation just made it more pronounced.Thousands or 100's of years ago the world population was significantly smaller, a 1000 obese people in today's terms wouldn't be out of the normal, it might have been back then.

Also have to consider you don't get fat just from sugars and carbs, any rich food source that is secure and plentiful will do that.It has been shown once food security is in place, societal importance of gathering or hunting food drastically shifted over time.In other words people became lazy gits........

I do not agree, I have plenty of food available to me and I'm not overweight. I'm not even very active. I eat then I'm hungry and I stop then I'm full. The key for me was to eliminate the sugar and refined carbs.

 

[xcaliber]

So people are eating less sugar. Its not the end.
Start using sugar cane to produce ethanol.
For a Win win

1. Hulett expands there range
2. New industry means more jobs.
3. Add this to our fuel 25%. Its cleaner burning. and we can get better performance and 25% less oil to import.

Don't understand why they don't do this.

 

[access]

The debate if suger is addictive or not is basically moot. We should debate if a highly refined carb is healthy or no. Every person must make his/her own easement but in my mind it can not be good. Humans had no obesity issue until they start consuming sugar and refined carbs.

nah i cant agree with that, its ease of life and access to food that promotes obesity. most humans of the past did not have it as easy as we do today.

there are obese leaders/kings in history. plain fat ones as well.

its simply taking in more fuel than spending.

 

[BBSA]

nah i cant agree with that, its ease of life and access to food that promotes obesity. most humans of the past did not have it as easy as we do today.

there are obese leaders/kings in history. plain fat ones as well.

its simply taking in more fuel than spending.

You might be right, maybe I'm just an exception.

 

[access]

You might be right, maybe I'm just an exception.

everything in moderation. even moderation!

 

[BBSA]

everything in moderation. even moderation!

I do not think eating empty calories, even in moderation, is beneficial for once health. Of course if it works for you, keep on doing it.

 

[crysis]

everything in moderation. even moderation!

Exactly!

 

[Solarion]

More people added to the unemployed list. It's bad out there right now.

 

[neoprema]

So people are eating less sugar. Its not the end.
Start using sugar cane to produce ethanol.
For a Win win

1. Hulett expands there range
2. New industry means more jobs.
3. Add this to our fuel 25%. Its cleaner burning. and we can get better performance and 25% less oil to import.

This is Africa dude, they'll turn to government for handouts and blame Apartheid for the losses.

 

[Jabulani22]

They made their billions , they should be made to look after the honest worker who got none of it .
No bankrupcy no shenanigans , just look after your workers , the share holders have enough to keep their tea sweet.

 

[maumau]

They made their billions , they should be made to look after the honest worker who got none of it .
No bankrupcy no shenanigans , just look after your workers , the share holders have enough to keep their tea sweet.

I'm sure they'll give legislated retrenchment payouts...maybe a bit more.