Torrents over HTTP

Lazy said:
Ok, so here I am, I own 2 iPhones which is supposedly giving me access to the ability to buy the single which I like. This appeals to me as consumer, because I most often find that when I buy a CD, there is at most 1 or 2 songs which appeal to me. Most of the time I feel ripped off, because the rest of the CD seems to 'fill the disc'.

So, by nature, my iPhone want MP3's. I can't buy MP3's on the iTunes store (which would be most conventient based on the technology I've already paid an arm and a leg for) but Apple seems to feel differently about it.

But wait, I could buy the MP3 at a local online retailer, or I can buy it from an international retailer which also happens to be cheaper than the local ones. Sadly even that is considered wrong, because that is frowned apon too.
[Maybe not by you specifically though]

So that leaves me to buy the single. Guess what, the single never comes in a nice little compact form. No sir, I have to buy [yet another] CD which contains 10 versions of the same song. So again, I end up paying for everything except for that which I wanted in the first place.

This leads me to my question, if I like a song, SHOULD I be forced to buy the entire CD? If not, what happens if nobody buys the CD and everyone just buys the single? Do you think the artist would not find that to be a [new] problem?

Regardless if you like the argument or not, me making up my mind NOT to buy the CD still means nothing whether I download it or not, because if I never intended to buy the CD or MP3 and was quite happy just to listen to the radio, it has exactly the same nett result. The only real thing is, now I am aware of the artist.

But who is to say I won't go to a concert when the artist comes for a show? Or, before/after the song plays on the radio there might be an add that informs me of something I can actually spend my money on, which I then might go out and buy. [or I might not].
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but you can download mp3s from itunes. and emusic. in fact there are a handful of legal online retailers offering files in mp3 format.

but just because the song you want is available in limited formats does not make piracy okay. stop trying to justify it.
 
TMoose said:
It is absolute nonsense that you would buy something you like just because you can't download it. Dumbest. Argument. Ever.
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dept of redundancy dept said:
Umm... that's not what I said. At all.

Would you like to try again?
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Let's see.

dept of redundancy dept said:
if you were not able to download the MP3 and you liked it, you would have bought it
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Mmmm... nope. That's pretty much exactly what you said. Also, could you try a new catch phrase? As burnt as I feel every time you wow us with "Would you like to try again?" it's just coming off as silly now.
 
I never said you _have_ to buy it. If you wanted it, you would buy it. If you don't want to buy it, THEN DON'T BUY IT. Do you let the TV make all your decisions for you, too?

Seriously man, work on your comprehension.
 
the smartest man on earth said:
but you can download mp3s from itunes. and emusic. in fact there are a handful of legal online retailers offering files in mp3 format.

but just because the song you want is available in limited formats does not make piracy okay. stop trying to justify it.
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Did I justify piracy or attempt to provide alternate views? For the record, you can't download the mp3 from iTunes, it's not allowed in SA. UNLESS, you are willing to go through the process of diverting your payment.

What you missed in my post was not that I'm not willing to buy it from an online retailer, but rather that no matter which one I choose, it seems to be wrong for someone. Which means that the only way for me [in my example] to keep everyone happy is to pay the most for that which I want the least and doing it not to make myself happy, but to make other people happy.

Personally, I choose to subscribe to the thought that I do more good than harm and that there are far too many products for me to legitimately own everything I like. Is that so much different to society in general? Think about it!

Society today is more geared towards mass production than quality. This is where my own view starts to impede the argument so that's where I'll stop.
 
dept of redundancy dept said:
Well, by downloading the MP3 you've already made the decision to not buy the song.
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This is a baseless point. I can only infer you draw on it from personal experience.

Many people try before they buy and it's acceptable.

A study recently showed that downloaders end up buying more anyway.
Regardless, if you were not able to download the MP3 and you liked it, you would have bought it. By downloading it that sale is lost.
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That sale was prolly not available to him so how could it be lost? Itunes and Amazon do not sell in SA and Emusic is very limited. Besides it does not mean the sale was lost. Again, a study refuting you was published recently.

Please, no more "the sale isn't lost cos I wouldn't have bought it anyhow" arguments - that is not what this is about.
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This is an important point and will not be omitted for your benefit.
 
A new British independent poll conducted by Ipsos Mori concluded that the people who do the most illegal downloading also buy the most music. This is in line with many other studies elsewhere and is easy to understand: people who are music superfans do more of everything to do with music: they see more live shows, listen to more radio, buy more CDs, buy more botlegs of live shows, buy more t-shirts, talk about music more, do more downloading -- all of it.
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http://boingboing.net/2009/11/01/heavy-illegal-downlo.html
 
Anti-Copyright infrigement advocates on this forum seem to be very short sighted. These HTTP services are excellent for the industry because they only introduce leechers into the system and fewer seeders. Less people share, more people leech. If this continues, there will be less stuff available in these torrent trackers. Unless of course these services introduce sharing (uploads).
 
man on earth said:
hitler also wanted more than he could own legitimately look where that got him
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Sorry mate, but this statement makes me sick to my stumache. It shows that you find it very easy to compare small things with hitler which really is nothing less than a slap in the face to the people who were so harshly affected by his rule and his actions. I say this because I highly doubt that you can compare the person who has downloaded mp3's on his iPod to the likes of auschwitz [and others].
 
Lazy said:
Sorry mate, but this statement makes me sick to my stumache. It shows that you find it very easy to compare small things with hitler which really is nothing less than a slap in the face to the people who were so harshly affected by his rule and his actions. I say this because I highly doubt that you can compare the person who has downloaded mp3's on his iPod to the likes of auschwitz [and others].
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It's basically an "argumentum and Hitlerum", which reminds me of Godwins law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Some basic knowledge of logic 101 would do, but I think some real history is the better way to cure people using this fallacy.
 
Ha ha. Thanks all for the good entertainment provided above!

And for the interesting link about Godwin's Law.

What do you guys thin is the salary I can get to search the web for torrent/usenet/piracy discussions, and to then register and try and sway the conversation to be pro-copyright?
 
zamicro said:
Ha ha. Thanks all for the good entertainment provided above!

And for the interesting link about Godwin's Law.

What do you guys thin is the salary I can get to search the web for torrent/usenet/piracy discussions, and to then register and try and sway the conversation to be pro-copyright?
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If you get paid by performance, R0.00 pm with an annual bonus of R0.00. Total benefits will be in the region of R0.00-R0.00pa.
 
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