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W.Salie

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So I understand that in CMD you can do a tracert command and it will throw out hops and basically show you the route it takes. I am having a problem with my ADSL and Im not sure what the problem is.... I ran several tracert's and dont understand but the 2nd hops always shows as timed out. so my question is, does anyone know what the hops indicate / mean? eg. 1st hop = router, 2 nd hop = ??? and so on... Im not sure if the problem is my router or not, I have a Netgear DGN2000 and this problem started a few weeks ago when they started load shedding. I am able to browse the net and so on but dew to the trace route results its a concern... Please HELP! I search the net and came up with nothing hence my question to this forum

Tracing route to www.google.com [216.58.223.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 40 ms 79 ms 78 ms 41.181.201.93
4 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 41.181.201.94
5 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.19
8.188]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net [196.44.18.2]
7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net [196.44.31.134]

8 68 ms 84 ms 41 ms rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net [196.44.31.69]

9 62 ms 50 ms 41 ms 41.181.139.109
10 50 ms 46 ms 42 ms 72.14.194.74
11 43 ms 42 ms 41 ms 72.14.237.239
12 42 ms 41 ms 41 ms jnb01s07-in-f4.1e100.net [216.58.223.4]

Trace complete.
 
When it shows stops it means the firewall at that hop is filtering ICMP packets.

When you want more or detailed infomation you can use the built in Windows utility called pathping. Just type pathping in CMD.

I would however advise a program called VisualRoute. It shows peering links and can work out statistics in a nice easy to understand graphical interface.
 
W.Salie said:
So I understand that in CMD you can do a tracert command and it will throw out hops and basically show you the route it takes. I am having a problem with my ADSL and Im not sure what the problem is.... I ran several tracert's and dont understand but the 2nd hops always shows as timed out. so my question is, does anyone know what the hops indicate / mean? eg. 1st hop = router, 2 nd hop = ??? and so on... Im not sure if the problem is my router or not, I have a Netgear DGN2000 and this problem started a few weeks ago when they started load shedding. I am able to browse the net and so on but dew to the trace route results its a concern... Please HELP! I search the net and came up with nothing hence my question to this forum

Tracing route to www.google.com [216.58.223.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 40 ms 79 ms 78 ms 41.181.201.93
4 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms 41.181.201.94
5 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.19
8.188]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net [196.44.18.2]
7 20 ms 20 ms 20 ms ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net [196.44.31.134]

8 68 ms 84 ms 41 ms rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net [196.44.31.69]

9 62 ms 50 ms 41 ms 41.181.139.109
10 50 ms 46 ms 42 ms 72.14.194.74
11 43 ms 42 ms 41 ms 72.14.237.239
12 42 ms 41 ms 41 ms jnb01s07-in-f4.1e100.net [216.58.223.4]

Trace complete.
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Telkom introduced some new software that causes the 2nd hop to time-out

on all accounts on all ADSL accounts AFAIK.
 
AntiGanda said:
Telkom introduced some new software that causes the 2nd hop to time-out

on all accounts on all ADSL accounts AFAIK.
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Seriously, so there is no problem with my router... whoop, whoop! Because when I called my SP they kind of told me that it could be my router that is faulty. According to them the is the sequence 1. House, 2. Router, 3. Exchange, 4. BRANS (Whatever that means), ect
 
Peon said:
When it shows stops it means the firewall at that hop is filtering ICMP packets.

When you want more or detailed infomation you can use the built in Windows utility called pathping. Just type pathping in CMD.

I would however advise a program called VisualRoute. It shows peering links and can work out statistics in a nice easy to understand graphical interface.
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Thanks! so I used the pathping and I could see that the it goes from my pc(pc name) then to the router and then I get the ***, at least this proves that its not the router
 
W.Salie said:
Seriously, so there is no problem with my router... whoop, whoop! Because when I called my SP they kind of told me that it could be my router that is faulty. According to them the is the sequence 1. House, 2. Router, 3. Exchange, 4. BRANS (Whatever that means), ect
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They told me that too and I endured a rather expensive exercise in router testing & exchange.
 
I am getting this too is this not going to make diagnosing problems harder now for isp's?
 
Fellas, there is nothing wrong if on your 2nd or third hop or even 5th hop it shows little stars. If the support consultant doesnt know or mis diagnoses it then they making a mistake and dont know better.
 
Peon said:
Fellas, there is nothing wrong if on your 2nd or third hop or even 5th hop it shows little stars. If the support consultant doesnt know or mis diagnoses it then they making a mistake and dont know better.
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Care to explain?
 
Peon said:
Here
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You seem to not understand. You actually need to see the exchange ping to figure out if it is exchange or isp that has problems... :wtf: without 2nd hop your in the dark why you are having ping spikes.
 
Guys its never going to work because the firewall filters ICMP packets. My ADSL works perfectly as im on a MSAN

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.9
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 126 ms 38 ms 39 ms 41.181.178.18
4 48 ms 25 ms 9 ms ipc-recieve-jh-2a.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.178.17]
5 22 ms 9 ms 8 ms qux-jh-dca-2.za-b.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.165.115]
6 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms jh-dca-2.za--qux-q.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.31.180.4]
7 57 ms 57 ms 56 ms jh-cr-2.za--jh-dca-2.za-a.mtnns.net [196.44.0.224]
8 53 ms 55 ms 47 ms 196.44.31.99
9 38 ms 39 ms 40 ms 196.30.1.53
10 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 196.31.220.27
11 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 196.31.63.202
12 16 ms 9 ms 9 ms vl9-ah-ha-2.za.mtnbusiness.net [196.30.42.133]
13 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms cms-gm.afrihost.com [197.242.144.102]

If you took the time to use visualroute then you would see the little firewall picture on your second hop. Visualroute would also be able to calculte your statistics in a graphical manners to establish where your problem lies.
 
You still don't understand that if you can't see your ping or packetloss to a exchange you can't see where the problem is right?

Peon said:
Guys its never going to work because the firewall filters ICMP packets. My ADSL works perfectly as im on a MSAN
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bgotapen said:
You still don't understand that if you can't see your ping or packetloss to a exchange you can't see where the problem is right?
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No. You cant ping your exchange. You need to use visualroute to determine the statistics better. Pingplotter is another good tool. The best way is measure a congested exchange is for ISP's to graph multiple users connected to the same exchange and see the results.

edit: that 2nd IP address is dependant on your ISP and what peering links they have in place.
 
Peon said:
No. You cant ping your exchange. You need to use visualroute to determine the statistics better. Pingplotter is another good tool. The best way is measure a congested exchange is for ISP's to graph multiple users connected to the same exchange and see the results.

edit: that 2nd IP address is dependant on your ISP and what peering links they have in place.
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But you could ping your exchange and the pay to programs would not be nessesary? It is anti consumer if they block the packets because it would be harder to see exchange congestion. The chances of an isp having multiple users on a one exchange will also be extremely minimal too.
 
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