Transformation at the workplace

IMHO there is little to no motivation for employers to upskill young staff - as soon as you make them marketable they will fck off to the highest bidder.
 
Not just that, we have lazy workforce who feel entitled to everything.
 
Sinbad said:
IMHO there is little to no motivation for employers to upskill young staff - as soon as you make them marketable they will fck off to the highest bidder.
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fair point, but i think that is mostly smaller - medium companies.
larger companies have a big focus on being an "employer of choice". that in addition to upskilling can produce better results.
 
My biggest grip against "transformation" is the implication that there is some grand conspiracy amongst business owners to only employ white people at any cost. Business owners want to make money. They will employ whoever is the best person for the job and will increase the bottom line of the business. Most business owners don't care if that person happens to be black or brown or white or purple. While it unfortunately is true that a lot of the time that best person happens to be white, that is not the fault of business owners. The solution is not to tell business owners who they can or can't employ. The solution is to fix the crappy education system that is causing this imbalance. It is also not the job of businesses, especially small businesses, to train and skill people. That is the job of the education system. Businesses want to hire people who can hit the ground running. They want to concentrate on building their businesses, not get involved in educating people.
 
bro-da said:
fair point, but i think that is mostly smaller - medium companies.
larger companies have a big focus on being an "employer of choice". that in addition to upskilling can produce better results.
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You can be an employer of choice up to a point. At some point it's not worth getting into a bidding war with other "employers of choice" over a good candidate.
 
Sinbad said:
You can be an employer of choice up to a point. At some point it's not worth getting into a bidding war with other "employers of choice" over a good candidate.
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yeah, i suppose they factor this in. because they are more of a "mass market" if they manage to retain employees that are 65-85% in terms of skill it would be considered a win. they can capitalize on their other strengths such as their large resources and synergies of employees working together.

the cream of the crop will always be targets for being poached....

but if you are trying to upskill on a large scale it's a better approach. i suspect that is why larger companies are targeted more on a BEE front.
 
HunterNW said:
take in graduates and train them 
to gain experience, thus enabling them to be in a position to qualify for management positions.
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imho once you graduate from university any and all favouritism should stop cold, similar to the whole sport transformation debate: our national teams need to compete on the global stage, the only sensible approach there is to pick the best players regardless of skin colour.

if you want true transformation, then start at the school and club level, the big league is the big league, it has to be dog-eat-dog
 
deweyzeph said:
My biggest grip against "transformation" is the implication that there is some grand conspiracy amongst business owners to only employ white people at any cost. Business owners want to make money. They will employ whoever is the best person for the job and will increase the bottom line of the business. Most business owners don't care if that person happens to be black or brown or white or purple. While it unfortunately is true that a lot of the time that best person happens to be white, that is not the fault of business owners. The solution is not to tell business owners who they can or can't employ. The solution is to fix the crappy education system that is causing this imbalance. It is also not the job of businesses, especially small businesses, to train and skill people. That is the job of the education system. Businesses want to hire people who can hit the ground running. They want to concentrate on building their businesses, not get involved in educating people.
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Hear, hear, though by providing education is a business incentive. Upskilling your employees contributes greatly towards building a business, and bursaries allow numerous opportunities.
 
HunterNW said:
What P!s me off about the equity act: FAIR discrimination.
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\shower thought

if it is possible to transition between gender is it possible to transition between race......

capitalise on the broken game mechanics
 
Sinbad said:
IMHO there is little to no motivation for employers to upskill young staff - as soon as you make them marketable they will fck off to the highest bidder.
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Exactly. If you as an employer want to take a freshie for an internship you are forced to pay them a minimum salary. This doesn't include the equipment and other training cost including other employee time. Once that employee has the skills he will f off to the highest bidder and you can't even recoup the money you put in him.
 
deweyzeph said:
My biggest grip against "transformation" is the implication that there is some grand conspiracy amongst business owners to only employ white people at any cost. Business owners want to make money. They will employ whoever is the best person for the job and will increase the bottom line of the business. Most business owners don't care if that person happens to be black or brown or white or purple. While it unfortunately is true that a lot of the time that best person happens to be white, that is not the fault of business owners. The solution is not to tell business owners who they can or can't employ. The solution is to fix the crappy education system that is causing this imbalance. It is also not the job of businesses, especially small businesses, to train and skill people. That is the job of the education system. Businesses want to hire people who can hit the ground running. They want to concentrate on building their businesses, not get involved in educating people.
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Assumption
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Hear, hear, though by providing education is a business incentive. Upskilling your employees contributes greatly towards building a business, and bursaries allow numerous opportunities.
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Sure, completely agree. But you're hearing more and more complaints from businesses that graduates are coming out of schools and universities missing even the most rudimentary skills. While it certainly is a plus for businesses who can afford it to upskill their employees, this assumes that employees are starting from a good base to begin with. The problem is when government starts expecting businesses to make up for the glaring failures of the education system and fill in the gaps of a basic education. A business can and should be willing to send you on a course to become a better programmer, for example, but they shouldn't be the ones teaching you how to read and write and reason.
 
wolverine_dcp said:
Assumption
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He didn't say all the time he said a lot of the time. If you want to transform the workplace which already have too many whites, to say to companies you can only hire blacks(africans, coloureds, indians, asians and women) to balance it out then you are saying to them the best candidate for the job isn't the criteria as you excluded white men entirely.
 
skimread said:
He didn't say all the time he said a lot of the time. If you want to transform the workplace which already have too many whites, to say to companies you can only hire blacks(africans, coloureds, indians, asians and women) to balance it out then you are saying to them the best candidate for the job isn't the criteria as you excluded white men entirely.
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I don't agree with BEEE and a lot of the time is still wrong and an assumption
 
skimread said:
He didn't say all the time he said a lot of the time. If you want to transform the workplace which already have too many whites, to say to companies you can only hire blacks(africans, coloureds, indians, asians and women) to balance it out then you are saying to them the best candidate for the job isn't the criteria as you excluded white men entirely.
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Which is discrimination. BUT according to the act, FAIR discrimination. :mad:
 
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