Transformation at the workplace

deweyzeph said:
My biggest grip against "transformation" is the implication that there is some grand conspiracy amongst business owners to only employ white people at any cost. Business owners want to make money. They will employ whoever is the best person for the job and will increase the bottom line of the business. Most business owners don't care if that person happens to be black or brown or white or purple. While it unfortunately is true that a lot of the time that best person happens to be white, that is not the fault of business owners. The solution is not to tell business owners who they can or can't employ. The solution is to fix the crappy education system that is causing this imbalance. It is also not the job of businesses, especially small businesses, to train and skill people. That is the job of the education system. Businesses want to hire people who can hit the ground running. They want to concentrate on building their businesses, not get involved in educating people.
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You will be surprised, I got phoned by a recruiting company spoke to the lady for about 10 min before she said the company only hires white people carried on for about 5 more minutes she would like to set up an appointment for an interview, first thought was to just rock up but then decided to tell her i am not white ( sound white though), suffice to say i didn't not get that interview the whole point is it does happen.
 
chunk10 said:
You will be surprised, I got phoned by a recruiting company spoke to the lady for about 10 min before she said the company only hires white people carried on for about 5 more minutes she would like to set up an appointment for an interview, first thought was to just rock up but then decided to tell her i am not white ( sound white though), suffice to say i didn't not get that interview the whole point is it does happen.
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How many years experience did this job require? What skills did the position require? What was the name of the recruitment agency. Unless it was in Ventersdorp I highly doubt your story.

You can't throw out something like that as your 6th post on this forum. You could be trolling. If not and I give you the benefit of the doubt, you can't just make blanket statements without giving detail.
 
wolverine_dcp said:
I don't agree with BEEE and a lot of the time is still wrong and an assumption
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I can only speak from my experience involved in recruiting in my business. For skilled positions we still get way more qualified white applicants than non-white applicants. There is definitely an imbalance somewhere. However my point is that it's not my problem to correct that imbalance. At the end of the day I want to hire whoever the best candidate is for the job and who is going to make the most money for the business, whatever their colour. That means that statistically speaking of course your team is going to be skewed towards white people if most of your qualified job applicants are white. Is that right or wrong? I don't know, and frankly I don't care. I just care about hiring the best people to build the most successful business I can. It would be business suicide to hire someone just because they're white, or to actively reject someone just because they're not white.
 
skimread said:
How many years experience did this job require? What skills did the position require? What was the name of the recruitment agency. Unless it was in Ventersdorp I highly doubt your story.

You can't throw out something like that as your 6th post on this forum. You could be trolling. If not and I give you the benefit of the doubt, you can't just make blanket statements without giving detail.
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Nope company in Joburg, it would have been a different story if it was said that they looking for a white person vs only hire white people, but hey just highlighting that it does happen. I'm not trolling just sharing my experience.
 
chunk10 said:
Nope company in Joburg, it would have been a different story if it was said that they looking for a white perso
n vs only hire white people, but hey just highlighting that it does happen. I'm not trolling just sharing my experience.
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I find it highly doubtful

- If you are non white you would have been offended as a black person(indian, coloured, black) being told you don't qualify for not being white.
- any normal person who have no problem naming the recruitment agency who did this or complaining about it especially considering our apartheid history.
- You also don't put your race on your CV despite many jobs having BEE requirements and it being an advantage?
- You only tell the recruiter afterwards once she says oh it's good that you're white because they only interview whites. If the company was racist I highly doubt they would be so open about it.
 
bro-da said:
\shower thought

if it is possible to transition between gender is it possible to transition between race......

capitalise on the broken game mechanics
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Unlikely, the SJW thing to do when someone self-identifies as the opposite gender is to recognize them as that gender.

In stark contrast if a white man starts self-identifying as a black man he'll be called an insensitive racist for making light of the injustices of slavery or at the very least he'll be called a wigger. He sure as hell won't be receiving any AA/EE/BEE/BBEE benefits.
 
We have intakes every year. At the beginning of the next year they are in front of me for a higher position.

/sad face
 
skimread said:
I find it highly doubtful

- If you are non white you would have been offended as a black person(indian, coloured, black) being told you don't qualify for not being white.
- any normal person who have no problem naming the recruitment agency who did this or complaining about it especially considering our apartheid history.
- You also don't put your race on your CV despite many jobs having BEE requirements and it being an advantage?
- You only tell the recruiter afterwards once she says oh it's good that you're white because they only interview whites. If the company was racist I highly doubt they would be so open about it.
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- I dont take offence to anything it was an isolated incident, found a better job after so wasn't an issue.
-I honestly cant remember the places name as it was a few years ago it really wasn't a big deal to me at the time and still isn't. i just mentioned it for perspective.
- I don't put race on my CV if its not necessary not everyone wants to be a BEE/AA hire.
- Hey incompetent people come in all shapes, sizes and colour i just put it down to being daft.

You can find it unlikely that's fine it happened.
 
deweyzeph said:
My biggest grip against "transformation" is the implication that there is some grand conspiracy amongst business owners to only employ white people at any cost. Business owners want to make money. They will employ whoever is the best person for the job and will increase the bottom line of the business. Most business owners don't care if that person happens to be black or brown or white or purple. While it unfortunately is true that a lot of the time that best person happens to be white, that is not the fault of business owners. The solution is not to tell business owners who they can or can't employ. The solution is to fix the crappy education system that is causing this imbalance. It is also not the job of businesses, especially small businesses, to train and skill people. That is the job of the education system. Businesses want to hire people who can hit the ground running. They want to concentrate on building their businesses, not get involved in educating people.
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Maybe it's not a conspiracy, and correlation doesn't prove causation, but this makes for an interesting read: http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
 
Sinbad said:
IMHO there is little to no motivation for employers to upskill young staff - as soon as you make them marketable they will fck off to the highest bidder.
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Dunno hey. The big audit firms invest quite a bit into upskill in their clerks...knowing that 90% will leave shortly. Sure pay is pretty sucky relative to how hard you slog but still - always surprises me how willing they are to throw serious money at it anyway.

They're also trying flippen hard to recruit people of the dark persuasion...but the problem here is supply - the talent just isn't there no matter how much money you throw at it. The craptastic predominantly black gov school aren't producing viable candidates. And if they suck @ matric level they're already too far behind to make it through a rough varsity course
 
Sinbad said:
IMHO there is little to no motivation for employers to upskill young staff - as soon as you make them marketable they will fck off to the highest bidder.
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...adding more people to the employable pool and once some other sucker has done the hard work of skilling them up from junior to senior you can rehire them.
 
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