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well ive been with iburst since december, and its been a heck of a rollcoster ride, but in the last 3 months i can honestly say I have had a really great online experience. swordfish you still got iburst? if not hush up. most of us are having a good experience, and if you havent noticed, most of the complaints recently have been pretty arb.

I would say slims right, from my personal consulting experience, most of the people I have chatted with who have it have mostly positive things to say lately.
 
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Bang my last hope of internet game :()

I Emailed the helpdesk as well, wherever that may be !
 
swordfish1 said:
slimothy if it is just port prioritisation, and there should be only speed implications, how do you explain the fact that I can leave a P2P application like eMule for one week and it won't download a single byte ... will give me a status Cannot Connect for almost all peers at almost all times? How do you explain ICQ disconnecting after it send a single message instantly. Note that all this stuff worked fine for years and still work when I am using dial-up! So don't come with the sh*t that it is my PC!

Telkom also does port prioritisation on P2P but all I can notice is slow speed during the day, which is very different than 0 speed at all times (while HTTP is cruising at full speed at the same time)!

Also ISP don't block protocols, so obviously there is no option to "unblock" them. This is only WBS specific feature to block protocols.

Also can you explain to me what is the reson behing blocking the subversion protocol? Is it used for illegal traffic? Does it use too much bandwidth? I don't think so! I guess the answer is that you need to pay extra to use it! Does it say in the relevant package description that subversion won't work???? Not of course, it is nice surprise after you spend R2800 for the iBurst modem ...

So slimothhy I am prety sure you have some serious relationship with WBS to defend them so much, so that's cool with me, but I will say what I want to say, you can just skip over my posts!

After WBS changes their web site to reflect the true nature of their products, so the people can get all the truth by reading their web site, then I will stop bithing!
i don't know, maybe because you didn't get the 9GB package emule sucked, or maybe everyone who says they have the 3gb package and use p2p are lying, yes that must be it

i don't get that icq problem so I don't know, fact is all the protocols you mentioned work for me and others, so fact is.. they didn't block those protocols as you stated.

I think you just connected in a crap area with an overloaded basestation and with a bad quality of signal (not signal strength, quality of signal), but you're not going around everythread saying "hey if you connect to x tower especially in x location its better to get ADSL, you are directing it at everyone, I can't argue that you or any other user is wrong if you say you were happy or unhappy with whatever aspect of the iBurst service, but I can say that I personally don't want to read about ADSL in the iBurst section of this forum as much as ADSL users don't want me going on about iBurst in thier section, thats the reason the forum is split up, so we can have information relavent to the various services, but you don't seem to realise this.

I am also in no way affiliated with WBS other than being a paying client who gets what they paid for, i don't go around making assumptions that anyone who critisises the US is in AL Quaeda, so I'd appreciate it if you would show the same courtesy. I know you had iBurst and werent happy, and I'm not saying don't critisise WBS, by all means, go ahead, hopefully it will help them improve BUT this isn't the ADSL forum and you no longer have a grasp on what the situation is seeing as how you don't have the service any longer.

Crit them all you want, but this "GET ADSL" in every thread and talking about things that don't exist (like WBS magically blocking protocols like ICQ and such) has to stop, thats the only thing I'm worried about, I don't care if you do or don't like WBS, and please speak your mind here till your fingers bleed from smacking the keyboard I have no problem with that.

So in summary:
1. Please stop the "HAHAH GET ADSL" posts unless it is relavent to the topic
2. Please stop making things up, like "WBS blocks ICQ and other protocols"

Those are not orders, I have no power here, just friendly requests from someone who likes to use these forums for relavent information, use em, don't use em, whatever
 
oh my word, look at how much i've posted over this, ...must... stop.... typing
 
Slimothy, what I am trying to say is that the potential subscribers still won't know that P2P is dead, unless they happen to read this forum, or they happen to have proficient friend who can tell them that.

So as I said, I will stop bitching when WBS clearly explains in their package description that P2P and any other affected protocols won't work at all on the relevant packages!

I did try make them do this change on their web site, they ignored me, well I will keep bitching then! If you can make them tell the truth, I promise I won't come to this forum again, as I will rest assured that if somebody is interested he/she can read the WBS web site at any time and see if the product is usefull for them! Until they lie I will be here ....
 
ok one last post, do you know p2p is dead right now? if so, how? because last I checked you were on ADSL, I have been sort of associated with p2p on these forums, and I can paste half of my private messages inbox right now with people who say thier p2p works, gransted, not at 1mbit (or not always anyway) but 40, 50, 60KB is nothing to sneeze at

Swordfish and no one wants you not to come to this forum, you're as welcome here as anyone, just you know, realise we don't have ADSL for a reason and that the service changes alot, you should know that, so just beause you HAD a problem doesn't mean it still exists
 
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I am not going to talk about ADSL, ok! Agreed!

I am going to stop bitching about WBS and iBurst after they change their web site to reflect the reallity!
 
Wow, this thread went south.

Subversion isn't the only thing that uses WebDAV commands, for those who claimed in this thread that it's not important. Microsoft's "WEB folders" makes use of DAV, important for site designers/maintainers. Office2K can talk DAV. Many "store-your-stuff on the internet web-drives" use DAV. DAV is supposed to replace things like ftp, and help people collaborate over HTTP. It's not just some little used thing. Exchange Web Access also uses it. DAV is a standard designed by the IETF, and has been submitted as an RFC.

It has to be supported by any ISP that claims to "transparently" proxy http traffic. In this case, WBS's squid configuration violates the RFC, even for proxying.

I think, in summary:

1. Let's cease the offtopic posts and flameware.
2. Wait and see how long it takes WBS to add a single configuration line into their squid proxy.
 
now ways is p2p dead, i torrent all the time *shrug* i get approx 40-60kbs downloads constantly when uncapped, and 7-15kbs when im capped
 
swordfish1 said:
DFantom, if you connect with a dial-up modem, and you try to use subversion, or anything else, it just works! That is internet!
The two big differences between me using a dialup now vs me using iBurst now is
a) The 3 people offering dialup (IS, UUNet, SAIX) have been doing this for how long? Compared to WBS?
b) How long has dialup technology been around for compared to iBurst technology?

At the end of the day when dialup was new there were these issues. Hell 3 years ago Mweb was breaking all kinds of things when they were implementing transparent proxies. When Sentech was new they sucked big time, now they are a lot better.

Anyway my point was not that you were right or wrong in your choice of views on this subject. My point was that this is should not be labeled a problem but more like a configuration change to accomodate a small user group. Besides the help desk at any ISP would never go "sure, let me change it quick" they all will turn around and go "i have to escalate this" because no help desk has (should) access to servers. It's not their place to run around and mess on servers. The original poster of this has Luis details now, and the issue was resolved by speaking to the right person.
 
DFantom, when you buy new motherboard with all the latest stuff just released yesterday, never been on the market before, it just works! Maybe no 100% but 98%!

iBurst is not working at all for substantial amount of subscribers! So it shuold not have been released in that state at all! It should have been in testing phase, they should give it for free to people to test it! Once it is stable and works, then go ahead and release it!

So I don't give a **** about their problems, as long as I am paying, I expect to get a decent service and I am not interested in their bullsh*t at all!
 
they did have a test phase from january 2004 and a soft-launch or commercial test from november 2004 to April 2005, and to be honest it worked fantastic however the bandwith monitor wasn't tested till April of this year, which is where the problems all started. Kyocera has also run tests on it, basically it works. However its the little changes on the ISP side that need to be fine tuned, I can live with that, after all theres no where else I can go for 1mbit.
 
swordfish1 said:
DFantom, when you buy new motherboard with all the latest stuff just released yesterday, never been on the market before, it just works! Maybe no 100% but 98%!
I am not disagreeing with you on the point "it should work" (tm). I am only trying to say calling it a problem is wrong, to put another way your definations are incorrect not the logic or ideals behind them.

I also disagree with your comparrision here. This is lots of issues with new and existing hardware, incompatibities, bios updates, driver revisions and so on. Secondly comparing hardware to an ISP is very different. Hardware is tested differently and developed differently to how and ISP operates. But that is minor point.

I had a bit more typed about your response, but I just don't feel like trying to discuss an issue with someone who is unwilling to discuss and see's an argument where there is none
 
yeah and it will be under R1000 right and only be one account at one ISP right? Yeah didn't think so.

I could probably get dual iBurst for cheaper, 2 x 1mbit = 2mbit
 
DFantom, I gave them just under 2 months to resolve their problems, they didn't. I think I made their CEO rich enough ... my analogy may not be perfect, but in a country with real competition if you offer such inferior product like iBurst your company will be dead in a month or less!

Thanks to the monopoly in SA so companies like WBS can exist happily and can make millions by ripping off the people that have no choice!
 
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