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Once again thanks to all especially PostmanPot for the detail info
Dolby
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They're talking bs. It's safe to ignore most plasma myths:
1) Needs regassing
2) Low lifespan
3) Chows electricity
4) You will get image burn-in
5) LCD is better
2, 3, and 4 are things of the past. There is a minor possibility of 4, but only really when a PC is used to do work on - hours and hours of static images - for which plasma is advised against. That said, there are several forumites that do use their plasmas to do work on, and none have image burn-in.
5 is obviously correct though
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Well when we got our TV the 32" LCD tv just managed to fit in the TV cabinet which I'm not mistaken was designed for a 74cm TV since then got a new TV stand
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Agree with PostmanPot , followed his and others advice last year and bought a 42" Plasma ... no regrets. i only watch SD TV/ SPORT & Movies.
Yup great for now but when everyone has moved on to Full HD blu rays you'd be sitting there going I wish I'd upgraded further ;-) remember as Tim the troll says CRT is ultimately the best for Movies/SD TV and Sport
PostmanPot
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The old 'resolution paper argument' used by LCD fanbois.
Please add a disclaimer: "Unless larger than 50", this does not apply to average home viewing distances."
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The old 'resolution paper argument' used by LCD fanbois.
Please add a disclaimer: "Unless larger than 50", this does not apply to average home viewing distances."
Depends on what is classified as the average viewing distance, if it's a little over 1.7 to 3 meters then 46" is viewable, if it's 1.5 to 2.5 or so then 42" and so on, remember just because you are ecstatic with your 1024x768 resolution, and so called better picture quality which to this day I still cannot really see on plasma's doesn't mean everyone will.
PostmanPot
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I don't think you understand viewing distance I'm talking about (for FHD).
Well I compare it to my FHD Series 5 LCD and can tell the clear winner? I don't understand how you think picture quality is _so_ subjective.
I would stick to the resolution argument, it's the only thing entry LCD has going for it.
Roman4604
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Yeah like this pro review of a 51D450 (1365x768) ... http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51D450-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Motion.htm ... luv the Mona Lisa pics at the bottom.
Sure with poor-grade/SD type input you wont see much of a diff. Was at Makro recently and saw a PS51D450 and LA46D550 side by side on SS SD and they were very similar from a PQ perspective. In comparison SS HD on my 40C530 is miles ahead, the RWC 1080i feeds from NZ are just awesome ... vivid, sharp & fluid.
For me a completely superior experience, which you wont be able to fully appreciate without a FHD 1920x1080 res screen.
PostmanPot
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I wouldn't trust that "pro" site at all. LCD biased and anti plasma, plenty of errors in articles when you read a lot of them, statements that make no sense... Check AVForums/Google, there are quite a few threads on the matter.
In my experience entry HD Ready plasma (even 1024x768!) handles 1080i's interpolation & subsequent added judder far better than a 1080p entry LCD where judder/tearing is clearly visible when up close, esp. due to entry LCD's poorer motion handling. I also don't understand how you can compare sets in Makro under bright shop lighting, presumably on store mode(?), presumably within 1 - 1.5m, to your setup at home?
Put the plasma next to the LCD in a normal room at home with dim/normal lighting and I bet the plasma wins. Even at FHD content, at further viewing distances like 3m+.
Roman4604
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Unsubstantiated rubbish, I'm watching RWC replays right now on SSHD1 (Eng vs Arg) ... absolutely no judder, ghosting or any pixelation on my 1080i picture displayed natively at 1920x1080 (1:1 pixel mapping) ... even up close (<1m).
Mike Hoxbig
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As opposed to the plasma bias and anti-LCD on this forum?
PostmanPot
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Any plasma bias is based on value for money, and its general better handling of blacks/colours/motion/SD/sport/etc. These are facts about plasma tech you cannot argue with.
Any plasma bias coming from me is based on multiple comparisons, particularly my own 4 Series HD Ready plasma and 5 Series FHD LCD.
PS43D450 beats LA40D550 at R500 cheaper, unless Full HD is a necessity (large BR collection, PC use, future proof, etc.).
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How is this comparable at all (forum vs "pro info site")?
PostmanPot
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what if i sit 60 cm from my 37" ?
but i suppose most peopler sit a little further.
According to the "pro's", for the full Full HD experience one should sit 1m from a 32", 1.5m from a 40", and 2m from a 50". Further back and one starts losing the full benefit of FHD, until eventually even SD looks good. So I agree with you, and sitting 90cm from my 32" LCD I can also tell the difference.
Some "special" people are able to tell the difference from far back, but 95% can't. Then you get others who are very anal about resolution and will judge picture quality on resolution only from up close (50cm and closer). I suspect it's probably at this distance that they are only able to tell the difference between HD and FHD, which is why it's so important to them. They're similar to some photographers who are "pixel phreaks", and zoom in to high res high quality images (DSLR camera etc.) looking for any bits of distortion/blur/noise, which would otherwise not be noticeable when the photo is viewed correctly (zoomed out).
So considering most people sit 2.5m+ from their TVs (at least in my experience), Full HD becomes less and less important, and picture quality more important. That's where plasma comes in, although mainly at the entry level to the market where entry LCDs simply cannot compete at entry plasmas' blacks, colours and motion handling. Sure there are excellent and better-than-plasma LCDs available, but they usually come in at 2 - 3 times the price at similar sizes.
Roman4604
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Firstly bull, secondly when are you going to emigrate from the 90s, SD & SD+ (1024x768) is so outdated, why spend throusands of rands on an experience from a bygone era.
FHD for me is the norm, DSTV HD + Bluray is 90% of what I watch (on TV).
Roman4604
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More unsubstantiated bull, yes high end Plasmas are good, but the low-end ones you punt are hardly in the same league. Lets take a look at black levels & contrast ratio between 42C450 (similar to yours) vs 46C530 (similar to mine) ...
42C450
46C530
Entry LCD has deeper blacks & decimates the entry plasma on peak brightness.
PostmanPot
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I have personally helped at least 30 forumites via this sub-forum and PM, and they've all reported the same thing (what I base my arguments on). They all compared 42" plasma with 40" LCD (mostly R500 - R1,000 cheaper & larger PS42C430/C450 with your very LA40C530 and recently the newer models). Same with every person I've taken to demo TVs, same with every person who has come to my house, to the extent of comparing my 5 Series LCD to the 4 Series plasma.
You keep going on about resolution, which is great because your LCD gives you the resolution you need for your large 1080p FHD Blu-ray collection and to a lesser extent 1080i HD DSTV. It's a no brainer why you chose entry LCD, because with Blu-rays you can make full use of the resolution which you seem to be able to notice from a distance (720p vs 1080p). I'm afraid that is your TV's only selling point though when it comes to picture quality. I'm sure you enjoy your HD viewing as HD is good on just about any HD TV, however there can only be one winner when it comes to sheer picture quality and that is entry plasma. It's well known now that it is better at colours, blacks and motion handling than entry level LCDs.
I would appreciate it if you could be a little less biased in your arguments when we are talking to newbies. I try to be unbiased as much as possible and elaborate when discussing certain terms that can be open for abuse by pro-LCD and pro-plasma fanboi's alike, which you are doing.
Firstly, 1024x768 _with rectangular pixels for 16:9 aspect ratio/widescreen_ is not outdated, and it handles all SD/HD/FHD beautifully (although make sure you are sitting 2m+ back for FHD as one may tell a difference in definition on lower resolution plasma although unlikely). The way you say it would make a newbie think you are talking about a square TV.
Secondly, it's important to distinguish between 1080p and 1080i (such as HD DSTV), as well as explain that 720p is favoured over 1080i, simply because most detail revolves around the centre/vertical areas; as well as 720p means there is less interpolation (doubling the 540 vertical lines)/adding of processed data, which means that there is less chance of motion artifacting like ghosting, tearing, judder, etc. that entry 50Hz LCDs are particularly prone to (less than 50Hz entry plasmas, as plasma as a technology handles motion better).
I really think we could get along if you simply took the needs of others into account (mostly picture quality since they sit far away) when arguing, instead of arguing out of your own needs (resolution vs picture quality).