TV screen size??

Roman4604 said:
More unsubstantiated bull, yes high end Plasmas are good, but the low-end ones you punt are hardly in the same league. Lets take a look at black levels & contrast ratio between 42C450 (similar to yours) vs 46C530 (similar to mine) ...

42C450

Samsung-PN42C450-contrast.jpg


46C530

Samsung-LN46C530-contrast.jpg


Entry LCD has deeper blacks & decimates the entry plasma on peak brightness.
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Please link to the site those pics are from.

Sounds like complete bs to me as I have directly compared LA32C550 and LA40C430 with PS42C450 and the plasma trounced the LCDs.

Come on Roman, you know it is complete hogwash!
 
PostmanPot said:
Any plasma bias is based on value for money, and its general better handling of blacks/colours/motion/SD/sport/etc. These are facts about plasma tech you cannot argue with.

Any plasma bias coming from me is based on multiple comparisons, particularly my own 4 Series HD Ready plasma and 5 Series FHD LCD.

PS43D450 beats LA40D550 at R500 cheaper, unless Full HD is a necessity (large BR collection, PC use, future proof, etc.).

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How is this comparable at all (forum vs "pro info site")?
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Wow it is weird though when looking at this "pro" site they really don't seem to agree with you on your touted plasma for colour or for the better blacks, in most cases the LN46D550 beats most entry level Samsung plasmas on all counts, but I forget we aren't allowed to use review sites like this as it bad mouths your choice of plasma.
Other plasma's as they go up the scale do get better ratings but the entry level ones don't unfortunately, they also seem to fail at HD content too, they do apparently do well at 480i content but so does a R2000 74cm CRT.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-Pn42c450-Plasma-Hdtv-Review/Conclusion.htm

Yes the LN46D550 does lose some points for motion, but the weird thing is I haven't really seen an issue with motion so that might've been cleared up since review.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-LN46D550-LCD-HDTV-Review/Conclusion.htm

At the end of the day could advice actually be given and not TV's shoved down peoples throats, this thread is an example, he asked for TV size recommendations not brand or makes, and for what he asked 32" is fine, if he wants bigger he will need to sacrifice his TV unit.
 
Roman4604 said:
More unsubstantiated bull, yes high end Plasmas are good, but the low-end ones you punt are hardly in the same league. Lets take a look at black levels & contrast ratio between 42C450 (similar to yours) vs 46C530 (similar to mine) ...

42C450

Samsung-PN42C450-contrast.jpg


46C530

Samsung-LN46C530-contrast.jpg
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I spent months showing the same thing to PP ... I promise you, it won't work ;)

Every site is incorrect - or bias - or the settings for the plasma are wrong - or there are bright lights - or it's the incorrect angle ....
 
PostmanPot said:
I have personally helped at least 30 forumites via this sub-forum and PM, and they've all reported the same thing (what I base my arguments on).
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That doesn't say much ... everyone will defend their purchase :/

I defended my plasma purchase too until I got my LCD and saw myself that everything I herd about dull, grey and junk wasn't true.
 
So did I, I even defended the Sinotec I had *gasp
 
Dolby said:
I spent months showing the same thing to PP ... I promise you, it won't work ;)

Every site is incorrect - or bias - or the settings for the plasma are wrong - or there are bright lights - or it's the incorrect angle ....
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That made me lol :D
 
Lupus said:
Wow it is weird though when looking at this "pro" site they really don't seem to agree with you on your touted plasma for colour or for the better blacks, in most cases the LN46D550 beats most entry level Samsung plasmas on all counts, but I forget we aren't allowed to use review sites like this as it bad mouths your choice of plasma.
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Learn to read. It is a generalised fact based on plasma technology. Look up any website that lists the benefits of plasma vs LCD tech and they will tell you the same thing, that plasma is generally better for colours/blacks/motion.

Roman can confirm this for you if you'd like a LCD fanboi's input on the matter, seeing as he loves the Panasonic Viera FHD plasmas (and might be getting one IIRC).

Now Lupus, please explain why Roman would favour FHD plasma over FHD LCD (his budget could get him e.g. 8+ Series Samsung LCD/LED).

Other plasma's as they go up the scale do get better ratings but the entry level ones don't unfortunately, they also seem to fail at HD content too, they do apparently do well at 480i content but so does a R2000 74cm CRT.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-Pn42c450-Plasma-Hdtv-Review/Conclusion.htm

Yes the LN46D550 does lose some points for motion, but the weird thing is I haven't really seen an issue with motion so that might've been cleared up since review.

http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-LN46D550-LCD-HDTV-Review/Conclusion.htm
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Could not care less about that site which is LCD biased and full of errors.

Just wondering where the comparison of the new D range plasmas is?

You're comparing last year's R5,000 42" plasma with this year's R8,000 LCD. Last year's LCD (LA46C530) would have cost R10,000+, double the price of the 42" plasma. A 50" plasma (PS50C430) could've been had for R6,500 or a FHD plasma (PS50C550) for R10,000. If you're going to use a bs site like TVinfo, at least compare fairly.

At the end of the day could advice actually be given and not TV's shoved down peoples throats, this thread is an example, he asked for TV size recommendations not brand or makes, and for what he asked 32" is fine, if he wants bigger he will need to sacrifice his TV unit.
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You really need to learn to read properly.
 
Dolby said:
I spent months showing the same thing to PP ... I promise you, it won't work ;)

Every site is incorrect - or bias - or the settings for the plasma are wrong - or there are bright lights - or it's the incorrect angle ....
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No Dolby, you showed me stats of the LA40/46C6xx in comparison to entry and mid plasmas, from TVinfo.com. I completely believe you that it has good black levels, I have seen 6 Series myself and would take it over my entry plasma. The problem is last year it cost about 2.5 - 3 times the price. Plasma offers best value.

I have never seen you quote another site.

Bright lights in shops are indeed problematic, one should always compare in an environment similar to their home (i.e. pro AV shop with dark room).

Not sure about the incorrect angle, never spoken about this. Plasma tech does provide for better viewing angles, though.
 
Dolby said:
That doesn't say much ... everyone will defend their purchase :/

I defended my plasma purchase too until I got my LCD and saw myself that everything I herd about dull, grey and junk wasn't true.
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Please explain why people need to defend their purchases when they have themselves compared entry plasma vs entry LCD in person?

Why would they buy the weaker one if they can afford the better one, and then defend it?

Your logic makes no sense.

Let's also not forget that you yourself as well as prez TYR recommended entry plasma over entry LCD a few months ago when you were active, except for when FHD is a necessity.

Strange, sounds like my exact arguments? :confused:

Yet I get ch00ned! :D
 
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51D550-3D-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Blacks-and-Whites.htm

Surprisingly it's still not as good as the "Entry" level LCD TV, the strange thing is you are the one that keeps saying Entry Level Plasma's beat Entry Level LCD's all the time, but when you are presented with the evidence you suddenly start going poppy cock it's lies and biased, well I've got a strong feeling the only bias on this forum does coincidentally start with a P. You've got no basis to base your claims on as you keep saying your plasma is the be all and end all, yet nothing really proves it. Even reviewers have called it a mediocre affair.
 
Lupus said:
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-PN51D550-3D-Plasma-HDTV-Review/Blacks-and-Whites.htm

Surprisingly it's still not as good as the "Entry" level LCD TV, the strange thing is you are the one that keeps saying Entry Level Plasma's beat Entry Level LCD's all the time, but when you are presented with the evidence you suddenly start going poppy cock it's lies and biased, well I've got a strong feeling the only bias on this forum does coincidentally start with a P. You've got no basis to base your claims on as you keep saying your plasma is the be all and end all, yet nothing really proves it. Even reviewers have called it a mediocre affair.
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Which goes directly against what every PS51D550 buyer has said on these forums, after comparing against the LA46D550!

Please tell me why I need this "evidence" when I own both entry LCD and entry plasma myself?

What I'm telling you is that the nonsense on that site does not correlate with in real life experiences, both by myself and other forumites.

So, let me summarise:

Plasma owners go to the shops to compare entry LCD and entry plasma, they choose plasma because of one reason among many, that it has better black levels which are of huge significance. Some plasma owners even own both techs (there are many on this forum who report the same thing). Shall I list nicks? Wasp, sandmann, Grimspoon, PostmanPot... Many more.

LCD owners don't go to the shops and compare, they use a website which has had many questions raised about its authenticity, in order to determine what is best. The website says entry LCD has better black levels and colours than entry plasma, which goes directly against what people who have compared both techs have said, as well as those who own both techs.

Please, give me a break. You have no case by basing it on that crock of a website which goes against IRL experiences. And please, for the love of all things good, stop misrepresenting what I say and learn to read properly.
 
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