Uber drivers join workers’ union to stop exploitation

They never learn do they...

Let them join the unions, then have a notification of which drivers are unionized with separate pricing at whatever they demand.
 
Fscking retards...

Uber do not employ you, so the CCMA will pretty much be forced to tell you to take a hike.
 
It just came to Africa to abuse Africans
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Yes, yes, thats their business plan.

On that not, also why my future plans for transport will make 100s of billions:D
 
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ToxicBunny said:
Fscking retards...

Uber do not employ you, so the CCMA will pretty much be forced to tell you to take a hike.
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I was wondering about this, can contractors unionise? I know that uber calls drivers partners, but it's closer to labour broking.
 
cr@zydude said:
I was wondering about this, can contractors unionise? I know that uber calls drivers partners, but it's closer to labour broking.
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It will ultimately all depend on how the contract is structured with the drivers themselves.
 
I find this totally ridiculous in the Uber world a Union will not work. if we assume that drivers are getting ripped off by Uber ( which I do not believe - as they have provided an potential earning opportunity and take their fair slice ). The problem is the following conversation which I overheard while waiting for some food.

Uber owner pitch to a new potential driver:
1) We will give you a vehicle - Toyota etos + a Cell phone ( samsung as iphone does not work, I think what she means to say is iphone is expensive ) + 3gbs of data and a Petrol card.
2) You pay for all your own petrol but can use the card if you dont have cash and we will deduct it from you at the end of the week.
3) You pay for your own data/airtime over and above the 3gb given
4) You pay ( wait for this ) R2700 per week for the above

So simple maths says if we pay R8km then uber driver gets R6. He now has to pay 4.5x R2700 to his pimp = R12,150, thus he needs to drive 2,025kms per month just to fund his fixed costs. Then if we assume he also has R1500 for petrol that figure goes up to 3,150kms.

So basically the driver works hard and never gets anything and his Pimp gets a fair chunk of the revenue. I think unber should not allow this middle man as the system would work if its just Uber and the driver but not with an extra feeder....
 
It's like saying Google Play or Apple App Store is exploiting you when you as a development company or developer don't like their terms. They aren't your employer, they are just providing a service to link you with the customer.
 
Dr Who said:
I find this totally ridiculous in the Uber world a Union will not work. if we assume that drivers are getting ripped off by Uber ( which I do not believe - as they have provided an potential earning opportunity and take their fair slice ). The problem is the following conversation which I overheard while waiting for some food.

Uber owner pitch to a new potential driver:
1) We will give you a vehicle - Toyota etos + a Cell phone ( samsung as iphone does not work, I think what she means to say is iphone is expensive ) + 3gbs of data and a Petrol card.
2) You pay for all your own petrol but can use the card if you dont have cash and we will deduct it from you at the end of the week.
3) You pay for your own data/airtime over and above the 3gb given
4) You pay ( wait for this ) R2700 per week for the above

So simple maths says if we pay R8km then uber driver gets R6. He now has to pay 4.5x R2700 to his pimp = R12,150, thus he needs to drive 2,025kms per month just to fund his fixed costs. Then if we assume he also has R1500 for petrol that figure goes up to 3,150kms.

So basically the driver works hard and never gets anything and his Pimp gets a fair chunk of the revenue. I think unber should not allow this middle man as the system would work if its just Uber and the driver but not with an extra feeder....
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That's a pretty logical summary. The only question is the funding of the car for those situations where the driver isn't coming into the Uber job with a car (which is probably the ones having issues at the moment making as much as they thought). Without the middleman, whoever else takes that debt on (Uber who then lease to the driver) or the driver via a car loan, the funding problem is still the same to the driver (either he's paying Uber a fee or he's paying the bank for a car loan).

Working those numbers back, 3150kms @ 40km/h is 2.5 fare hours a day (overly-simplistic, I know but it's what there is to work with). If Uber isn't keeping its drivers occupied for at least 4-5 hours a day, there's definitely a problem.

I'm pretty sure the system is weighted towards ensuring the customer faces the shorted wait possible rather than the drivers accruing enough fare hours to make a decent salary. As far as I'm aware, their drive to recruit more drivers hasn't stopped at all. If the existing drivers aren't making money, having more guys on the road is only going to make that worse.
 
xrapidx said:
They're not getting 1c... Unions in SA are holding the country hostage.
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No, but the logic that any job is better than no job isn't true. There is a reason that some people choose not to take up available jobs.
 
cr@zydude said:
No, but the logic that any job is better than no job isn't true. There is a reason that some people choose not to take up available jobs.
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Yes. Because earning nothing is better than earning something.

What do you think these guys will be doing if Uber pulls the plug?
 
xrapidx said:
Yes. Because earning nothing is better than earning something.

What do you think these guys will be doing if Uber pulls the plug?
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If you're offered a job at R10 per day, but it costs you R30 per day to get to work and back, should you take that job?
 
An uberx driver who works smart can make 7k a week from 650km of driving with w/h of 40hrs per week.. Working between 4am-9am, then 15pm-20pm.. Fuel costs of about 1.4k per week.. If the car is leased then they pay 1.5k per week, rest is profit.. The biggest issue with the drivers they don't know traffic patterns and thier rider profile...The trip allocation algorithm does look at your current drop off position and any new ride requests tries to take you back to ur home base.. You can accept the next trip while on another trip...

The striking lot have no leg to stand on. firing a driver takes 2 minutes and you get another person. The only issue is enabling the drivers get the tools to work...You need proper reliable tools to work on the uber platform which is what the customers pay for... Hence the driver feels exploited as he does the actual long hours but the pimps paid for doing 'nothing'
 
sly said:
An uberx driver who works smart can make 7k a week from 650km of driving with w/h of 40hrs per week.. Working between 4am-9am, then 15pm-20pm.. Fuel costs of about 1.4k per week.. If the car is leased then they pay 1.5k per week, rest is profit.. The biggest issue with the drivers they don't know traffic patterns and thier rider profile...The trip allocation algorithm does look at your current drop off position and any new ride requests tries to take you back to ur home base.. You can accept the next trip while on another trip...

The striking lot have no leg to stand on. firing a driver takes 2 minutes and you get another person. The only issue is enabling the drivers get the tools to work...You need proper reliable tools to work on the uber platform which is what the customers pay for... Hence the driver feels exploited as he does the actual long hours but the pimps paid for doing 'nothing'
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I think this is a big part of the problem with these (very few) "workers".

Hence the driver feels exploited as he does the actual long hours but the pimps paid for doing 'nothing'
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Anyway, "those workers", start your own Uber and become the "pimps" then.
 
cr@zydude said:
If you're offered a job at R10 per day, but it costs you R30 per day to get to work and back, should you take that job?
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No, that would not be logical. But the person who sleeps in the box in the alley next to the business might be interested in taking the job since there is no travel costs and then seeing if he can use it as a springboard to something better.
 
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