Ubuntu 9.04 For the Windows Power User

[adrianx]

Why worry about rebooting . Linux reboot in seconds?

Penguin, can you please give me the instructions for deleting duplicate emails in Outlook. My mom wants to know. I'm sure it must be really simple. She has about 2000 duplicates, or so.

I told her to follow these instructions, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299349, but she got lost. Damn, it looks as if she will have to *buy* another plugin....

 

[d0b33]

Why worry about rebooting . Linux reboot in seconds?

Mine takes 27 seconds but that is not counting the 15secs for my bios and 15 secs for KDE to load... so I'd rather just reload the window manager and continue where I left off... in under 5 seconds.

 

[sn3rd]

There is always a exception from you Linux punters. So it cannot read the Sony memory stick. So I must dump all mine. Then the endless Bluetooth incompatibilities and CD/DVD roms not to mention graphic cards and some other hardware issues. and, and, and. Sorry boy try again. I know its improving. What you just punted would not have been that easy a few months ago. I say there is still much to be done.

About your user friendliness headline. If you are trying to claim that Linux is as user friendly as windows then your opinion are more of a joke that believed.

I said google it because the phrase is self explanetary. With Windows very little if any "fidling" are required with more than 90% of the hardware and software that is available today. With Linux it's a completely different story. Go look at the Linux forums for examples of drivers that is in "development"

Anyway I had my opinion laid down and chalenged to death and no post so far changed my mind. Linux IMHO for now is great for specific uses and users but for the general public its yet to prove itself. As someone said. Install Linux and just do not fiddle with it. Use it as a "Virus free" (hAha) browser or a Linux box firewall untill it can really compete with windows.

So you ask for an example, I give one, then you claim that it is not good enough? I have plenty of hardware that simply does not want to function properly in Windows. Should I just "dump" them? And as explained, the problem lies with a proprietary driver, not with Linux or driver development in general. And as previously mentioned a few times in this thread (and many others) if you need proprietary software (or hardware, in this case) to work, and it works on Windows and not Linux, then use Windows.

On user friendliness, being idiot-proof doesn't make something user friendly. User friendliness is something that is friendly to the user. Thus, one user (me) might have one idea of what is "user friendly" (having, possibly obscure, shortcuts to do everything I need to improve my efficiency), while another user (you) might have another (having it look like Windows.

And what issues? I don't have any. To take a page out of your self-fulfilling prophecy book, have a look at the PC Hardware and Software forum, then have a look at the Linux forum. There are many more problems listed in the PC Hardware and Software forum. The reason is because PC HARDWARE and Software includes all manner of hardware-related problems. In addition, there are more Windows users, so there would be more problems. On the flip side, hardware problems also appear in the Linux forum.

Regarding very little fiddling required for things to work in Windows, have a look at the PC Hardware and Software forum. 5/5 software-related problems appear to be Windows-specific. From a clean install of Windows, how much of your hardware works (i.e. you won't have to install anything else)?

Linux does not have to "prove" itself to anybody. No-one is forcing you to use it. Linux is not aiming to "take over the desktop".

 

[d0b33]

Use it as a "Virus free" (hAha) browser or a Linux box firewall untill it can really compete with windows.

That's not the purpose of Linux, it's not competing it is FOSS.

 

[.Froot.]

As user friendly as this? LOL

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=2817392#post2817392

That's called helping someone.... and for the record, installing nvidia drivers in Linux is faster than in Windows....

What's the problem? that's only one way to install the nvidia driver, the noob option using ubuntu is to use the hardware drivers app and then....

....Just click "activate" let it download, install then reboot.

But I prefer using terminal because I have control and can install/uninstall nvidia drivers without rebooting.

That's what I do myself.... it works quite well.

Why worry about rebooting . Linux reboot in seconds?

I can do absolutely ANYTHING in Linux apart from a kernel upgrade without having to reboot my machine. Windows loves "restart required".....

Penguin, can you please give me the instructions for deleting duplicate emails in Outlook. My mom wants to know. I'm sure it must be really simple. She has about 2000 duplicates, or so.

I told her to follow these instructions, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/299349, but she got lost. Damn, it looks as if she will have to *buy* another plugin....

0wnag3

Mine takes 27 seconds but that is not counting the 15secs for my bios and 15 secs for KDE to load... so I'd rather just reload the window manager and continue where I left off... in under 5 seconds.

It's quick and really useful.... and any problem can be solved this way. Not as much can be said for Windows when it crashes and ctrl+alt+delete doesn't work...

 

[.Froot.]

There is always a exception from you Linux punters. So it cannot read the Sony memory stick. So I must dump all mine. Then the endless Bluetooth incompatibilities and CD/DVD roms not to mention graphic cards and some other hardware issues. and, and, and. Sorry boy try again. I know its improving. What you just punted would not have been that easy a few months ago. I say there is still much to be done.

About your user friendliness headline. If you are trying to claim that Linux is as user friendly as windows then your opinion are more of a joke that believed.

I said google it because the phrase is self explanetary. With Windows very little if any "fidling" are required with more than 90% of the hardware and software that is available today. With Linux it's a completely different story. Go look at the Linux forums for examples of drivers that is in "development"

Anyway I had my opinion laid down and chalenged to death and no post so far changed my mind. Linux IMHO for now is great for specific uses and users but for the general public its yet to prove itself. As someone said. Install Linux and just do not fiddle with it. Use it as a "Virus free" (hAha) browser or a Linux box firewall untill it can really compete with windows.

Did you for a moment consider the issue that some companies do not develop drivers for Linux for a reason? This is exactly why some drivers remain in "development".
I have to date not found a lot of hardware that doesn't work in Linux. "Canyon" devices don't work in Linux because they weren't intended to. If you write drivers for it, you could get it working.

You seem to be very much against the idea of using Linux. Then why are you even browsing this sub-forum? If you don't like Linux, don't use it.... don't try and convince others that Linux is sub-standard according to your opinions. Opinions aren't legal in any fashion. Facts are.

 

[I am Penguin]

You seem to be very much against the idea of using Linux. Then why are you even browsing this sub-forum? If you don't like Linux, don't use it.... don't try and convince others that Linux is sub-standard according to your opinions. Opinions aren't legal in any fashion. Facts are.

You are so wrong. You always second geuss others opinions?

I installed YDL6.1 on PS3 but due to time consuming commands from terminal to achieve much ado I do not get the time for it. I love the asus quick boot express gate terminal to browse the internet, I ma following development of some other linux tools to add to the fuctionality of this express gate "distro". I want to set up a Linux box (with IPCOP to split international traffic) to act as firewall with internet web page interface but then after looking at the effort I decided to wait to see how Linux develops but after two years I only saw some advances and just lately we can get distros with nice "desktops" but still fuctionally limited. Thus I have the interest required in Linux for specific applications just not the time to administer it, thus to punt linux as an user friendly alternative OS in place of windows is well just stupid at this stage. Even Aqualung still use XP after he flogged Win7 after a brief trial due to a single BSOD.

To REPEAT. I am not ANTi Linux. I just say its far from a windows alternate OS. Soon maybe but not yet.

 

[.Froot.]

I just say its far from a windows alternate OS. Soon maybe but not yet.

Why then are there so many of us that use Linux for 95% of everything that we do on a computer? The only time I go onto Windows is for.... well, I don't have to.... at all.

 

[I am Penguin]

Why then are there so many of us that use Linux for 95% of everything that we do on a computer? The only time I go onto Windows is for.... well, I don't have to.... at all.

Ahh, now so you are not tech savvy at all are you? How long are you dealing with Linux now. Now do not expect the same from the general public.

 

[.Froot.]

Ahh, now so you are not tech savvy at all are you? How long are you dealing with Linux now. Now do not expect the same from the general public.

Been using it for the better part of a decade now....

... you are also officially the only person on my ignore list.....

 

[I am Penguin]

Been using it for the better part of a decade now....

... you are also officially the only person on my ignore list.....

Great, be idiotic about it if you please, But to punt Linux for noobs after you are using it for a decade is well not so good is it?

 

[milomak]

Ahh, now so you are not tech savvy at all are you? How long are you dealing with Linux now. Now do not expect the same from the general public.

you do realise that if you took someone who had only used Linux and asked them to use Windows they would tell you the same. That Windows doesn't do what they are used to.

And that is the point. If your starting point is I want linux to do everything I do in the same way that Windows does, then you will always be on the back foot.

however if you are going to use a new OS (whether it be Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris, BSD etc), then you have to tell yourself that to use it I will have to suffer the pain of not knowing how to do things. If you are not willing to accept this, then don't try ANY new OS.

If I configured someone's Linux PC with Ooo3, Firefox, Thunderbird and vlc amongst others, and that covered their needs, how better would that person be in using Windows over Linux?

 

[d0b33]

Even Aqualung still use XP after he flogged Win7 after a brief trial due to a single BSOD.

CITATION NEEDED

A few corrections...

I do use XP almost daily for CS3 and iTunes to sync my iPhone but in a virtual machine. I don't have a native install of it.. I have 7 RC installed natively on it's own drive but only because it's free I almost never boot it up.

And you refer to a single BSOD as if it's nothing to write home about.. how many times does a person need to be molested before it's enough?

Although technically it was more than once.

 

[I am Penguin]

CITATION NEEDED

A few corrections...

I do use XP almost daily for CS3 and iTunes to sync my iPhone but in a virtual machine. I don't have a native install of it.. I have 7 RC installed natively on it's own drive but only because it's free I almost never boot it up.

And you refer to a single BSOD as if it's nothing to write home about.. how many times does a person need to be molested before it's enough?

Although technically it was more than once.

Was only a joke Aqua. No qualms. I will give Linux a bash when I have more time to go through the learning curve but at my age I think the time is running out fast!

 

[ubercal]

So you ask for an example, I give one, then you claim that it is not good enough? I have plenty of hardware that simply does not want to function properly in Windows. Should I just "dump" them? And as explained, the problem lies with a proprietary driver, not with Linux or driver development in general. And as previously mentioned a few times in this thread (and many others) if you need proprietary software (or hardware, in this case) to work, and it works on Windows and not Linux, then use Windows.

On user friendliness, being idiot-proof doesn't make something user friendly. User friendliness is something that is friendly to the user. Thus, one user (me) might have one idea of what is "user friendly" (having, possibly obscure, shortcuts to do everything I need to improve my efficiency), while another user (you) might have another (having it look like Windows.

And what issues? I don't have any. To take a page out of your self-fulfilling prophecy book, have a look at the PC Hardware and Software forum, then have a look at the Linux forum. There are many more problems listed in the PC Hardware and Software forum. The reason is because PC HARDWARE and Software includes all manner of hardware-related problems. In addition, there are more Windows users, so there would be more problems. On the flip side, hardware problems also appear in the Linux forum.

Regarding very little fiddling required for things to work in Windows, have a look at the PC Hardware and Software forum. 5/5 software-related problems appear to be Windows-specific. From a clean install of Windows, how much of your hardware works (i.e. you won't have to install anything else)?

Linux does not have to "prove" itself to anybody. No-one is forcing you to use it. Linux is not aiming to "take over the desktop".

Exactly thats my whole point.Its a server OS , and thats where is excels at.It cant compete in the desktop environment hence the lack of adoption.Linux functions best as a webserver and DNS , end of story

 

[sn3rd]

Exactly thats my whole point.Its a server OS , and thats where is excels at.It cant compete in the desktop environment hence the lack of adoption.Linux functions best as a webserver and DNS , end of story

To a certain extent, I agree. The ratio of Linux to Windows servers is far higher than the ratio of Linux to Windows workstations. But that doesn't meant that it can't compete.

The fact that it hasn't adopted in the majority does NOT mean that it can't compete. Correlation does not imply causation.

My personal experience with both shows me that I'm far more productive on Linux. Maybe that's not what other people have experienced (although from the other Linux users in this thread, I think otherwise), but it is certainly what I have experienced.

The pro-Windows anti-Linux users seem to think Linux users are lying or something when they say they enjoy it. The reasons put forth for using Linux get attacked, and then those same reasons get put forth for using Windows. It's laughable.

I use Linux, not only because it WORKS FOR ME (in the same way that Windows works for you), but because it works FAR BETTER THAN WINDOWS for me.

To re-iterate things said earlier in this thread:

1) If you need proprietary software or strange hardware to work, and it works on Windows but not Linux, use Windows. No-one is trying to convince you otherwise.
2) If you tried Linux but didn't like it / couldn't get it to work as well as Windows, use Windows. No-one is trying to convince you otherwise.
3) If you prefer a familiar interface, and Windows is familiar, use Windows. No-one is trying to convince you otherwise.
4) If you don't like the command line, for whatever reason, unless you are a very basic user, you won't get the full benefit of Linux, so you should probably use Windows. No-one is trying to convince you otherwise.

 

[I am Penguin]

Exactly thats my whole point.Its a server OS , and thats where is excels at.It cant compete in the desktop environment hence the lack of adoption.Linux functions best as a webserver and DNS , end of story

Great summary. Congrats. That was the point I was getting at but in a poor manner! Sorry!

I believe Linux will be there sooner than later!

Now to get going on Linux, where to start? I am tired of googling for terminal commands everytime I want to try and do something. Please advise a Linux noob where the best information about commands and structures in concentrated form is so I can get going.

Currently I have an installed YDL6.1 distro and want to install the latest K_Ubuntu.

Also
Which version is this the best distro's? (There are so many now)
What is the better "Desktop" (E17 for YDL) (Gnome oe KDE for Kubuntu?)
Can more than 0ne distro exist like in multiboot?

 

[d0b33]

Exactly thats my whole point.Its a server OS , and thats where is excels at.It cant compete in the desktop environment hence the lack of adoption.Linux functions best as a webserver and DNS , end of story

Linux is not competing in the desktop environment, it is free open source software and as a platform is doing really well, personally for me as a desktop it excels already for the power user.

I have a mac, run windows but feel comfortable with Linux... if OSX were cheaper I might use that though but right now it will only be used on my macbook.

 

[BigAl-sa]

Been using it for the better part of a decade now....

... you are also officially the only person on my ignore list.....

with you on this one. the oke is a troll, and we all seem to be feeding him...