UCT defends 'extreme' admissions policy[act2]

Is this UCT admission policy racist?

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Specifically, are these measures vital to atone for the apartheid past or are they just another form of discrimination, aimed at a different group of people?

Following a bout of letters published in Cape Town newspapers last week, Democratic Alliance leader Tony Leon attacked the university's policies in his column on SA Today, criticising its use of race as a primary admissions requirement to certain medical and law degrees.

UCT assesses its undergraduate applicants based on a points system -- similar to that used by other South African tertiary institutions. Unlike other institutions, however, UCT's 2007 admission requirements clearly distinguish between different race groups in stipulating the number of points required for specific degrees.

A BSc in physiotherapy, for instance, requires that black and coloured applicants obtain 34 points in order to be considered, while Indian applicants need to obtain 41 points and "Open" applicants need to obtain 43 points.

An almost 10-point advantage for black and coloured applicants in some cases saw Leon chastising the university for "cravenly enacting the ANC's [African National Congress's] obsessive, race-based reclassification of South Africa".

"I think there is a lot of pressure from government," Leon told the Mail & Guardian Online. "UCT goes way beyond … these measures are very extreme."

"These are UCT's measures. We believe in them," UCT registrar Hugh Amoore affirmed, "Whether they happen to tie in with the transformation and affirmative action or agendas of the day is of secondary concern."
The M&G Online looked at the admission requirements of medical faculties of similar institutions and found that although previously disadvantaged race groups are preferred in most instances, UCT is the only university with such formal affirmative action measures written into the application process
Without these policies, the MBChB class, for example, would be predominantly white and Indian; there would be very few black men and women doctors in the graduating class," Amoore said.

With these measures in place, black students accounted for 72% of UCT's MBChB classes last year, but Amoore said that "institutionally we believe we need to do more".
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=283565
 
The M&G Online looked at the admission requirements of medical faculties of similar institutions and found that although previously disadvantaged race groups are preferred in most instances, UCT is the only university with such formal affirmative action measures written into the application process

Just because its not put down on paper doesn't mean its not applied. Friend of mine was applying for physiotherapy at University of Pretoria a couple of years ago and was rejected even though her points were more than high enough etc. When her dad finally phoned and raised hell he was told "Sorry we've filled our quota for white females."

ajak;662067} said:
Without these policies, the MBChB class, for example, would be predominantly white and Indian; there would be very few black men and women doctors in the graduating class," Amoore said.

Don't these people, you'd think they would being academics, realise that admission requirements are there for a reason, its not just some sort of political game. If people don't meet the requirements they're less likely to cope with the courses, unless you start to lower that standard too. Its policies like this which cause people to have less faith in black doctors, rightly or wrongly, just because it can't be guaranteed anymore they're trained to the same standard as everyone else.

With these measures in place, black students accounted for 72% of UCT's MBChB classes last year, but Amoore said that "institutionally we believe we need to do more".

So 72% isn't enough? Not sure what the racial population group ratio is here but 72% must be pretty close. Since they seemed to be so obsessed with race why not do it a different way, look at the race of the taxpayers that are actually subsiding and PAYING for their training and base it on that.
 
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No, 72% is compltley out of proportion, especially for a Cape Town university. While it does server the whole country to an extent, you would expect most applicants to come from Cape Town, so how many of these people in CPT must they be ignoring to get and 72% representation for a race group that has a 30% representation in the province?

And just running everything purley on quotas is ridiclulous, youd expect a university to know better than to run things by strict rules for how many of every type of person they can accept, shurley its going to mess things up in alot of cases. Aah well, I have to try get in there next year..
 
While it does server the whole country to an extent, you would expect most applicants to come from Cape Town, so how many of these people in CPT must they be ignoring to get and 72% representation for a race group that has a 30% representation in the province?

UCT is funded by central govt and not by the province so it is a national resource but it would be interesting to see what UWC and Stellenbosch admissions policy are in comparison ???.

Perhaps Ajak can find some time to do this research in between visiting rightwing websites :).
 
woooho.. soon black students wont even have to write exams :P
 
UCT is funded by central govt and not by the province so it is a national resource but it would be interesting to see what UWC and Stellenbosch admissions policy are in comparison ???.

Perhaps Ajak can find some time to do this research in between visiting rightwing websites :).

First of all rofl. (awb.co.za has that lovley flash intro... Ajak could have even wrote it himself :eek:, I mean you dont learn flash on the farm)

Now, UWC and Stellenbosh are more coloured orientated right? You went to Stellenbosch as a coloured, they must have been more than happy to accept you, but did you notice if there are lower aceptance levels for coloureds or blacks like at UCT? Becasue I think that is getting a bit stupid, shure you can say we need more blacks coming in to do the courses, but to accept them at a level where you wouldnt have accepted your students pre-1994, or if they were white or indian, just doesnt make sense to the best tertiary education in the country, apparently in the whole of Africa!

They can only go down the drain in terms of reputation and academic output if they keep that up.

but I know it is state funded, centrally, but it doesnt change it geographical posistion, they pump in blacks from the Eastern Cape to fill quots at the Cape Tech (or CPUT, whatever) and I wouldnt be surprised if they do the same at UCT, they do definatley get alot of Zimbabweans, who probably arent going home any time soon.
 
In the bad old days the "coloureds" would "try for white". I suggest you "try for coloured" - I'll lend you my tarbrush! :D

lol, actually i am really considering filling in African on my application form, then they will accpet me, because my marks are pretty good (but not at the level where im not scared..) and if they give me crap about it, ill make as if im some liberal douche and tell them we are all children of Africa in SA regardless of race, and accuse them of being racists. By then they've already let me in, so they'll probably give it up and ill stay :D Hopefully..

Oh, but i could try for coloured easily, I went to mostly coloured schhol, no brush needed, ill tan abit and my accent can do the rest.
 
lol, actually i am really considering filling in African on my application form, then they will accpet me, because my marks are pretty good (but not at the level where im not scared..) and if they give me crap about it, ill make as if im some liberal douche and tell them we are all children of Africa in SA regardless of race, and accuse them of being racists. By then they've already let me in, so they'll probably give it up and ill stay :D Hopefully..

Oh, but i could try for coloured easily, I went to mostly coloured schhol, no brush needed, ill tan abit and my accent can do the rest.

Heard of someone who a few years ago was rejected from medicine because they were white, legally changed their name to an African-sounding name and was accepted with full scholarship! lol. Now they ask for photos with your application form. :confused:
 
Really are you shure about that, I have a aplication form in front of me, no photos needed...

maby once you rae accepted they ask for photos as a precaution. Eve though that shows how badly the system works.. they should have removed some of the "empowering features" instead of tightening up on them.
 
Wonder how many potential talented people are shown the door, because of stupid policies. I suppose the government will be able to label them as unpatriotic when they go study overseas. Its all part of an underhanded move to label people, and put them in categories. Bloody perfectionists.
 
uhm UWC also has a admission policy thing that makes it easier for some races from what i could tell, i think its a numbers thing tho. I know this cause well my brother applied to go there and got turned down, but told unofficially had he been coloured he'd have gotten in for his first choice(we flipped a coin when applying REALLY!) :/. Racial thing is stupid tho, i mean in cpt its hard to classify. In school each year i choose a different race with no problem :p and even now i continue to do it cause well i don't belong a particular one. I am a bit of everthing :D
 
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Really are you shure about that, I have a aplication form in front of me, no photos needed...

maby once you rae accepted they ask for photos as a precaution. Eve though that shows how badly the system works.. they should have removed some of the "empowering features" instead of tightening up on them.

If anything, u need the photo only when u sign up at the start of ur first semester and get ur student card. That is how it was when i was in first year..

I think it is worthwhile considering, because unless you are black, this system is RIDICULOUS.
 
Its hard to classify uct admission system racist when other institutions are the same just less open about it. Then again racism is racism.. :confused:
 
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The better informed among them know this.

Really? I had no idea, well then again I guess I'm not informed. Too bad this doesnt change much about the situation that happened to come upon these people during Apartheid, so no luck here Ajak. Thanks for trying to get me into university ;)

What rubbish website is that btw? I didnt go to it, so sorry if its good, but sounds like rubbish...
 
On the news now there were two of these type of stories. The first one was that all the indian companies investing here must take on a black empowerment partner. And the second one was companies being taken to task about there bee scorecard.

The government is the biggest racists. White people's money is good enough when it comes to collecting taxes, these taxes are used to subsidize these tertiary institutions, but there intelligent white children are not allowed to attend the universities.

This is almost as bizarre as things being down in zimbabwe.

Then the honorable Mr Zuma sings his bring me my machine gun song.

Some white people are beginning to realize, that we must wait 20 years till the black people have completely broken down the whole country, and then we'll come back and rebuild it again!
 
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