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Young South Africans will take their skills overseas if race replaces talent as a criterion for admission to university, says Democratic Alliance leader Tony Leon.
He accused UCT which "famously and correctly" resisted race-based state interference in its affairs during apartheid of now "cravenly enacting the ANC's obsessive race-based reclassification of South Africa".
Leon said the university's guidelines for admissions for 2007 revealed that for certain courses in the health and law faculties, "black" and "coloured" applicants required up to eight fewer matric-exemption points than anyone falling into the category "open".

"More bizarrely still, 'Indians' in certain medical courses are expected to supply as many - or nearly as many - points as "Open" (read: white) applicants, while for law they rejoin the disadvantaged camp, requiring for entry the lower points tally of black and coloured applicants," said Leon.
"To my mind, by lumping individuals in categories without regard to their circumstances or abilities, reinforces the baleful notion that some race groups are innately inferior to others, because they require special treatment," said Leon.

He said ironically race prejudice was being re-introduced with a vengeance by the ANC, and well-intentioned organisations like UCT.
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Another race thread?? Give us a break!

Youngsters in disadvantaged communities do not have all the facilities and means to achive what their advantaged brothers have. Its fair to give them a chance in the spirit of ubuntu. Can't we just be one nation and help each other all achieve higher education. This land is afterall here for us all to live on.
 
My friend is studying medicine at uct, and its true, they even have to push some ppl thru at the end of the year to make their "quota" of black and coloured students that pass. But obviously they wont admit this.

Thats why id rather go to an indian or white doctor, dont want to take the chance im going to someone who was pushed through and is playing with my life
 
justinct said:
My friend is studying medicine at uct, and its true, they even have to push some ppl thru at the end of the year to make their "quota" of black and coloured students that pass. But obviously they wont admit this.

Thats why id rather go to an indian or white doctor, dont want to take the chance im going to someone who was pushed through and is playing with my life
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Ja boet, in die goeie ou dae het ons mekaar ook maar gehelp. Dis hoe ons ,ons nasie gebou het. Dis nooit wat jy geweet het nie, dis wie jy geken het wat getel het ou maat.
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justinct said:
My friend is studying medicine at uct, and its true, they even have to push some ppl thru at the end of the year to make their "quota" of black and coloured students that pass. But obviously they wont admit this.

Thats why id rather go to an indian or white doctor, dont want to take the chance im going to someone who was pushed through and is playing with my life
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You bet stay away from newly qualified AA doctors.
 
BTech said:
Ja boet, in die goeie ou dae het ons mekaar ook maar gehelp. Dis hoe ons ,ons nasie gebou het. Dis nooit wat jy geweet het nie, dis wie jy geken het wat getel het ou maat.
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Im not living in the past, im living now. Two wrongs dont make a right, and until you realise that you will be stuck in your mentality and feel sorry for yourself and get nowhere.
 
BTech said:
Another race thread?? Give us a break!

Youngsters in disadvantaged communities do not have all the facilities and means to achive what their advantaged brothers have. Its fair to give them a chance in the spirit of ubuntu. Can't we just be one nation and help each other all achieve higher education. This land is afterall here for us all to live on.
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We are all striving for just that. Why doesn't it happen. Because if you believe it somebody lives in a fool's paradise.

Look at the facts.

Firstly, there is nothing wrong with Leon's figures. Nobody can argue that.

Secondly, it is more than 12 years now that the new schooling system has been running. None of the first year students ever expierenced apartheid. Rather they are in a schooling system that requires 35% to pass. That is knowing barely more than a 1/3 of a subject.

Thirdly. Wait till it get closer to home. Only a certain number of students are allowed to study certain courses. Should any of your own children become a DISADVANTAGED person now beacause he/she is white, the question arise: When is this going to stop?

Should a new struggle be started, being won, and then start to discriminate all over again?

Why can't we just live together in a normal society?
 
Getafix said:
Look at the facts....Secondly, it is more than 12 years now that the new schooling system has been running. None of the first year students ever expierenced apartheid...
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Wow, you got it so wrong dude. Everyone is still suffering from the legacy of apartheid. Those poor disadvantaged kids, with parents who are semi literate, living in squatter camps, going to skool under a tree...yep they really are advantaged now aren't they. Until the advantaged group realizes the damaged they have caused to a whole generation of people who are still suffering because of it little will improve. We need urgent redistribution of wealth!
 
The solution is not changing admission policies and using quotas to push underqualified 'previously disadvantaged' people through to their degree, the solutions must start at school level, improving appaling township and rural education systems so that balck kids can come to UCT having had the same education as a white kid who went to Bishops or Sacs or whatever.

But this will take years to implement, whereas quotas you can impose right now, which is why our short-sighted government advocate it.
 
hj2k_x : That is true and I think everyone realises it. But it is still tough to not do anything for the people in the short term. Thus concentrate on doing both
 
hj2k_x said:
The solution is not changing admission policies and using quotas to push underqualified 'previously disadvantaged' people through to their degree, the solutions must start at school level, improving appaling township and rural education systems so that balck kids can come to UCT having had the same education as a white kid who went to Bishops or Sacs or whatever.

But this will take years to implement, whereas quotas you can impose right now, which is why our short-sighted government advocate it.
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Yeah, and maybe it will encourage all the middle aged white folk to go get a degree as well and stop riding the apartheid gravy train they're still on:D
 
BTech said:
Wow, you got it so wrong dude. Everyone is still suffering from the legacy of apartheid. Those poor disadvantaged kids, with parents who are semi literate, living in squatter camps, going to skool under a tree...yep they really are advantaged now aren't they. Until the advantaged group realizes the damaged they have caused to a whole generation of people who are still suffering because of it little will improve. We need urgent redistribution of wealth!
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@btech. I quickly looked through your posts. All that you are at is looking for arguments. Simple provocative remarks about "disadvantaged" people being the only disabled, female and whatever. Give me the figures of ladies, disabled, white people being allowed under "disadvantaged people" at UCT.

What was asked was when is this going to stop. The "apartheid legasy", how long is this excuse going to be used? Until another struggle succeeds?

Shame those poor kids. Barring Nigeria, maybe, is there any country in Africa which even closely resembles the oppertunities in this legasy of apartheid.

Come on now my well informed genius. Come up with something original, or are you going to blame colonialism. As I see it apartheid was the last of the colonials to go. What a legasy!

O, watch out whom you call dude. Your primary school friends might call you that. Adults dont.
 
It always amazes me when people use the phrase "not affected by apartheid" or "apartheid is over". Apartheid is not over, because apartheid is part of the structure of SAfrican social political and economic structure today.

Apartheid continues to exert its strong influence today because apartheid was not merely a system of laws on paper- apartheid was ingrained in the social, political and economic culture/conditions of SAfrica. You can change the laws overnight, but you cannot change the social-economic-political culture/conditions overnight. It's much the same as the situation we now have with Telkom- technically they are no longer a monopoly, but the historical impact on telecoms today of Telkom's former 'legal monopoly' status continues, with the end effect of a de facto monopoly environment. Today we have de facto apartheid.

Efforts to redress apartheid must continue, though I do think the ANC should take stock of what efforts are working and what efforts are counter-active. I think that no-one should be denied entrance to study medicine because of quota requirements.
 
The system should be based on what school the person went to (similar to the UK) - at the moment the 'Previously Disadvantaged' person who goes to the same good school as me has it easy in getting into university.

So if a white kid went to a really underprivlidged school then they should also have it easier....
 
It's true about it hitting home when it's your white ass on the line. I'm in matric now, and looking at going to UCT next year. I'm not that badly affected, because I'm looking at a BCom degree, where I don't think the quota plays as big a role. However, I've got some good buddies wanting to get into medicine, who are worrying that their 101% pass isn't going to be good enough.

It's true, it's only fair that the disadvantaged should get more of an advantage now, it's just hard to face that fact when you are the one who has to be disadvantaged because of what some idiots of the same race type as you did a few years ago. But sure, in the end I did benifit from it, so I must pay the price :(

Cheers, Nick
 
Nick, work hard and dont let it get u down.. same goes for ur friends. Make sure ur marks are good enough so this doesnt even come into play. You wont regret the effort
 
Turbo_Aspiration said:
Nick, work hard and dont let it get u down.. same goes for ur friends. Make sure ur marks are good enough so this doesnt even come into play. You wont regret the effort
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This is true. If you are white, however, it is worth bearing in mind that any kind of help with fees is going to be very hard to come by - this is less of an issue in smaller faculties such as science and engineering, but in commerce, you will struggle. Trust me, i know.
 
Debbie2 said:
It always amazes me when people use the phrase "not affected by apartheid" or "apartheid is over". Apartheid is not over, because apartheid is part of the structure of SAfrican social political and economic structure today.

Apartheid continues to exert its strong influence today because apartheid was not merely a system of laws on paper- apartheid was ingrained in the social, political and economic culture/conditions of SAfrica. You can change the laws overnight, but you cannot change the social-economic-political culture/conditions overnight. It's much the same as the situation we now have with Telkom- technically they are no longer a monopoly, but the historical impact on telecoms today of Telkom's former 'legal monopoly' status continues, with the end effect of a de facto monopoly environment. Today we have de facto apartheid.

Efforts to redress apartheid must continue, though I do think the ANC should take stock of what efforts are working and what efforts are counter-active. I think that no-one should be denied entrance to study medicine because of quota requirements.
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Efforts must continue. My point in this forum is there are people who just for the hell of it go at anything. What we should be striving at is that everyone gets the education that he can attain. I wish we could elimanate "afford", "poor", "no opportunities" and phrases like that from the situation. Unfortunately it has always been part of the equation and most probably will be for ever.

Whether the person who had a point of 8 to study medcine ever came from a realy poor area we will never know. Or did he only have the correct skin colour? Please explain that to the girl with 31 points who was not allowed.

Please! I know it happened in the past! Please! I am not God, I can not change history. I don't want it repeated again.
 
hj2k_x said:
If you are white, however, it is worth bearing in mind that any kind of help with fees is going to be very hard to come by - this is less of an issue in smaller faculties such as science and engineering, but in commerce, you will struggle. Trust me, i know.
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This is also true :(

Note: not only white
 
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