UCT's admission policy

Debbie2 said:
It always amazes me when people use the phrase "not affected by apartheid" or "apartheid is over". Apartheid is not over, because apartheid is part of the structure of SAfrican social political and economic structure today.

Apartheid continues to exert its strong influence today because apartheid was not merely a system of laws on paper- apartheid was ingrained in the social, political and economic culture/conditions of SAfrica. You can change the laws overnight, but you cannot change the social-economic-political culture/conditions overnight. It's much the same as the situation we now have with Telkom- technically they are no longer a monopoly, but the historical impact on telecoms today of Telkom's former 'legal monopoly' status continues, with the end effect of a de facto monopoly environment. Today we have de facto apartheid.

Efforts to redress apartheid must continue, though I do think the ANC should take stock of what efforts are working and what efforts are counter-active. I think that no-one should be denied entrance to study medicine because of quota requirements.
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O please
 
hj2k_x said:
Surely u agree with some of what she has to say ? She makes some good points for both sides of the argument IMO.
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So if things go wrong...blame apartheid....and if things go well Viva the new anc dispensation...forever and ever it will be like that .Discriminate against non AFRICANS.I don’t want to start a argument with debbie2 she is a mod,so she must be right he he he
 
ajak said:
So if things go wrong...blame apartheid....and if things go well Viva the new anc dispensation...forever and ever it will be like that .Discriminate against non AFRICANS.I don’t want to start a argument with debbie2 she is a mod,so she must be right he he he
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No. That is not what i said at all.
 
I know I know...but I don’t want to get cheeky.
 
Debbie2 said:
It always amazes me when people use the phrase "not affected by apartheid" or "apartheid is over". Apartheid is not over, because apartheid is part of the structure of SAfrican social political and economic structure today.
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While the many effects of apartheid carry over to today its the books agree - it's been over since 1994. Unfortunately as long as it remains the staple scapegoat of everything wrong in the country today then the slower the country will heal.
 
What is this so called "apartheid"? It is definitely not only a SA, nor a racial issue, although the word was derived from Afrikaans.
Call it what you like - Race vs Race, Class vs Class, Religion vs Religion and the big ones that like the word so much: Englishman vs Indian, American vs Native American - then this thread...
Student vs Student - Some people want education, then there are the ones trying to prevent education.
Question: Who is causing the **** in educational facilities, the "A" students or the below average ones?

Everyone is born into this world naked with an equal opportunity in life! (unless someone fxd up and you are born with HIV)
It is not what happens to you in life that is important, but how you take it!
If you keep living in the past, you will NEVER succeed in going forward!

I am not from a rich family, didn't get a car or bike from dad when passing std 8 or even matric, nor university - just a "Well done, son. Keep going!
Geez, he didn't even have the money to pay for my tertiary education - maybe that's why I passed - I paid for it myself!
He taught me something great about life: "If you want it, then earn it!"

Bring back quality education for all - starting with grade 1, and if the students cause **** in class, moer hulle!, and if their parents complain about discipline, moer hulle ook!
then, just maybe, they would have learned some lessons about life when they get to varsity and the need to pass students for the sake of a quota will not be anymore!
All South Africans need to WORK toghether for a better future and stop riding on the past experiences.
 
yah we need more woman in engineering, come to study please :):):):)
 
yah, thankfully comerce is close. final. uhm but the few that we do have are hawt well some, problem is the ones in your own class become one of the guys.
 
Debbie2 said:
It always amazes me when people use the phrase "not affected by apartheid" or "apartheid is over". Apartheid is not over, because apartheid is part of the structure of SAfrican social political and economic structure today.

Apartheid continues to exert its strong influence today because apartheid was not merely a system of laws on paper- apartheid was ingrained in the social, political and economic culture/conditions of SAfrica. You can change the laws overnight, but you cannot change the social-economic-political culture/conditions overnight. It's much the same as the situation we now have with Telkom- technically they are no longer a monopoly, but the historical impact on telecoms today of Telkom's former 'legal monopoly' status continues, with the end effect of a de facto monopoly environment. Today we have de facto apartheid.

Efforts to redress apartheid must continue, though I do think the ANC should take stock of what efforts are working and what efforts are counter-active. I think that no-one should be denied entrance to study medicine because of quota requirements.
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"Apartheid are dead!" Contrary to popular belief it didn't just die in 1994. In fact, parts of the apartheid policy were being phased out as early as the '80s. Also apartheid wasn't only a policy that affected people of colour (for want of a better description). I remember getting criticized quite heavily at school for advocating political freedom and sharing with my classmates what I knew was happening in the country. Of course, many of those people are now avid government supporters (but that's a different story). Do you think the white people enjoyed living in this country under constant threat of violence by the ANC/PAC/AZAPO and all the rest? We all suffered. It was a war. That war is now over and the government has a duty to support all its citizens to reconcile. Instead, the government chooses to remind everyone of how bad the previous government was at every turn. The white community are the whipping boys. People don't have houses - blame apartheid - despite the fact that the housing minister has broken all her promises and is hopelessly behind schedule. They don't even spend the money they have.

Nobody denies that this country has a legacy of discrimination and we should remove all impediments to progress. The biggest challenge is as follows: If we believe we are all equal then there is no need to demand representation based on colour or race. The fact that the government insists on a pro-black agenda is itself racist. There is no place for racism. You can see how silly this is by asking yourself how you would determine a person's race. Was Mandela really pure black for example? Many believe he was descended from quite a racial mix. He is light-skinned for example - not typical of the Xhosa. The same goes for many of Mandela's former cabinet. Should we have denied them access to power on that basis? Or is there another method of evaluating their value - like their struggle credentials - as the ANC does today? If you were associated with the struggle, then that either qualifies you for a government job or at the very least, a special pension.

If the government has a serious programme to rectify the wrongs of apartheid, then let them formulate and publish it. Let's all see how long this process will take so we know on what date we will all be truly South African citizens. If they can't or won't then we need to get answers.
 
All this news promotes is the idea that black and coloured people aren't smart enough to compete with White and Indian South-Africans, simple as that why else would they need to lower their grade avarage acceptance points? Now if they were to offer scholarship based on who is disadvantaged based on their financial status that would be an entirely different thing. I would be the first to admit that most White South-Africans have good financial situations, but hiring someone based on race rather than skill or allowing them into a school rather than another person based on colour only means that our level of expertise in South-Africa is reduced to such a level that it eventually reaches that of our School system at present.

The Goverment in it's attempt to "empower" black people in South-Africa are losing all the skilled professionals(I know so many White, and VERY skilled South-Africans who have left the country because they have no opportunities for promotion, do you know any?). Soon enough the skill level in SA is going to be at a critical level where the goverment is going to relize it's in trouble, but I have already realized their priority is on staying in power and there here and now rather than the future and the next generation and what's best for the whole country.

This justified racism based on colour should be abolished and rather they should implement a system that focuses more on empowering people who are truly disadvantages (ie. Financially) but do actually have the skills to perform the duty. The idea is to abolish a "Old boys club" where White people hire other white people based on race rather than skill. But this is exactly what is promoted by our goverment at present.(Black are hired by black even when they are the less skilled party, what it can't be racism because they are black?).

Kind of remindes me of apartheid but anyway...
 
Gnome : The better the school, the easier to get good marks. There are almost no previously disadvantaged people at the top schools. It is not just about being able to afford the UCT fees
 
JStrike said:
Gnome : The better the school, the easier to get good marks. There are almost no previously disadvantaged people at the top schools. It is not just about being able to afford the UCT fees
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But there are some people at these schools, that is why it is important to rather look a the quality of the school itself and then make it easier for someone who went to a low quality school

just don't base the whole thing on race...
 
JStrike said:
Gnome : The better the school, the easier to get good marks. There are almost no previously disadvantaged people at the top schools. It is not just about being able to afford the UCT fees
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I disagree. There are many PDA's in all sorts of programmes to help them uplift themselves. Also, the introduction of Oprah's Leadership Academy is also geared entirely at PDA girls.

There are many people (that I know of) who are doing everything in their power to send their kids to the best possible school they can afford, and are raking up debt in a very big way to do so. Parents from all walks of life realise that competition is extremely tough in the work place, and you have to enable your child the best chance possible to make it in the big world. In terms of university. It is easier for a PDA to get in than a white person. It is also easier for a PDA to pass normal school with the relevant requirements to get into University. I would also like to add that there are several "colleges" and "universities" where hack degrees and diplomas are being given to students. Most of these diplomas and degrees however mean nothing in the world at large.
 
UCT always had a policy of giving access to those from disadvantaged backgrounds. And that's fine, but they should still take the background into account. If someone went to a top private school they can hardly claim to be disadvantaged simply because they aren't white.

Quotas just can't work.
 
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