Unionize???

Mental-Tree said:
And just imagine how the world would suffer without us. Pandemonium would ensure as people panicked around the globe. Unable to figure out why their PC's wont switch on or why they can't access the internet. One by one, every data center across the globe would collapse, data loss would be irreversible. Email and web service would be effected globally, companies will no longer know how to communicate with their clients, employees will no longer know how to get their work done able to work. We are like bees, you may never seen us but we are always hard at work and the world simply cannot survive without us:twisted:
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Dude what you don't understand is any sucker with a few certificates and who knows his way around a PC can land a job as an IT support technician or whatever you call it. You are as replaceable as they come.
 
Mental-Tree said:
^That was then this is now, have you seen how people panic if they cant send email?

PS. Whats your home address, I'd like to send you a pinch of salt :)
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The world will not come to a standstill if IT seize to exist. Get another job if you are so unhappy where you are or tell your management you don't want to work overtime without compensation anymore.
 
ghoti said:
If capital has the right to organize, so does labour.

There are enough bad business owners out there for me to think something like this can be used to protect people in my industry.
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Completely agree, IT folk are constantly taken advantage of.
 
Sorry, there was a point which I failed to make - hit send when a distraction arrived.

IT people are by definition education. They're not gonna allow a single cent to spent by their union without each of them ratifying it and having their own personal say. This, I think, would ultimately be the downfall of such an organisation. I know I am generalising but with good reason - this site is testimony to a thousand opinions existing and demanding an audience.
 
HDS said:
Dude what you don't understand is any sucker with a few certificates and who knows his way around a PC can land a job as an IT support technician or whatever you call it. You are as replaceable as they come.
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Only until there is a fault that is not in the manual. Those kids can only fake it that far.
That same mindset is why outfits like Gijima AST has retrenched senior IT staff, only to hire them back at contractor fee's a few months later.

Heck - I had the same conversation with a manager in my exit interview - he said the same thing. 6 months later his boss actually phoned me to ask if I could come assist my replacements. They were having issues. My old manager avoided me like the plague for the 2 weeks I was there.
 
Compton_effect said:
Agreed. 10 years ago I was against the concept of IT unions, remember a few debates at the SA Computer Society.
Now I think its a good idea. Its good insurance, and will become more relevant as South African companies outsource to overseas.

Heck - I won't point fingers, but I know of a large IT company that has a entire department staffed with Indian Contractors here on 6 month work visas. The entire entry level market for junior people is slowly disappearing - the opportunities I had 15 years ago do not exist anymore.
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I think that is a good enough reason to start a union.
 
GreGorGy said:
Solidarity Computer-Related Employees Workers Union (SCREWU) coming soon...
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Its funny, I just not sure I wanna have the name associated with solidarity. Not stealing their thunder or anything. I just know they are very close to Afriforum and are often politically motivated. However, for an acronym that cool, I might change my mind :D
 
ghoti said:
Its funny, I just not sure I wanna have the name associated with solidarity. Not stealing their thunder or anything. I just know they are very close to Afriforum and are often politically motivated. However, for an acronym that cool, I might change my mind :D
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Agreed. Now, if we can find another word for the S, I'd be all ears.
 
ghoti said:
If capital has the right to organize, so does labour.

There are enough bad business owners out there for me to think something like this can be used to protect people in my industry.
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Deadmanza said:
Completely agree, IT folk are constantly taken advantage of.
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Compton_effect said:
Only until there is a fault that is not in the manual. Those kids can only fake it that far.
That same mindset is why outfits like Gijima AST has retrenched senior IT staff, only to hire them back at contractor fee's a few months later.

Heck - I had the same conversation with a manager in my exit interview - he said the same thing. 6 months later his boss actually phoned me to ask if I could come assist my replacements. They were having issues. My old manager avoided me like the plague for the 2 weeks I was there.
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This.

And I agree.

They don't appreciate their current IT people until it is too late, and think they can pay them a little less than what they really are worth.
 
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