US Cities as Bad as Deadliest 3rd World Cities

[be.plato]

This might come as a surprise to you, but America has very little gun control. You can buy an AK47. The article you quoted makes your statement look pretty stupid.

The article is saying that the more stringent gun laws are in a particular city, the higher the homicide rate.

Those towns and cities that have very little gun control laws have low homicide rates.

Read the article before posting, otherwise your statements look pretty stupid.

 

[scotty777]

Perhaps the correlation is actually just pointing out that cities that are more violent, have implemented more stringent gun laws to try curb this violence... As opposed to cities that have stricter laws are more violent (as OP and the article seem to think).

Honestly, all the evidence I've seen points to the fact that letting more people have guns, allows for more people to use them on others.

 

[thestaggy]

Perhaps the correlation is actually just pointing out that cities that are more violent, have implemented more stringent gun laws to try curb this violence... As opposed to cities that have stricter laws are more violent (as OP and the article seem to think).

Honestly, all the evidence I've seen points to the fact that letting more people have guns, allows for more people to use them on others.

+1 on that statement.

The two US cities with the highest gun murder rates - Detroit and New Orleans - also happen to be, put bluntly, social cesspools and economic wastelands, the latter is especially true in Detroit's case.

Poverty is an ongoing problem in the city proper.[136] From 2000 to 2009 the city's estimated median household income fell from $29,526 to $26,098.[137] As of 2010 the mean income of Detroit is below the overall U.S. average by several thousand dollars. Of every three Detroit residents, one lives in poverty. Luke Bergmann, author of Getting Ghost: Two Young Lives and the Struggle for the Soul of an American City, said in 2010, "Detroit is now one of the poorest big cities in the country."[138] For the 2010 American Community Survey, median household income in the city was $25,787, and the median income for a family was $31,011. The per capita income for the city was $14,118. 32.3% of families had income at or below the federally defined poverty level. Out of the total population, 53.6% of those under the age of 18 and 19.8% of those 65 and older had income at or below the federally defined poverty line.

No surprise that an economically and socially repressed area would be crime-ridden and exceedingly violent. And no surprise that law enforcement will do what it can to lower this.

 

[be.plato]

+1 on that statement.

The two US cities with the highest gun murder rates - Detroit and New Orleans - also happen to be, put bluntly, social cesspools and economic wastelands, the latter is especially true in Detroit's case.



No surprise that an economically and socially repressed area would be crime-ridden and exceedingly violent.

Well actually the Appalachian region of the US is the most poverty stricken area of the US. And yet has quite a low violent crime rate. Hmmm....

 

[marine1]

Thanks for interesting topic.
Please ignore DJ.
Its without doubt true, just look at Chicago for example, strict gun control laws, high or even highest gun crimes in the US.
Gun control does not work.
Criminals will always find a way to get their illegal guns

 

[DJ...]

Thanks for interesting topic.
Please ignore DJ.

So you also believe that gun murder statistics are how we measure 3rd world status? Are you serious? And truthseeker is plain nonsense...

 

[thestaggy]

Well actually the Appalachian region of the US is the most poverty stricken area of the US. And yet has quite a low violent crime rate. Hmmm....

The Appalachian region is also mostly made up of rural communities. A dirt poor rural outpost is so very different to having half a million people crammed into a decaying city.

 

[2026]

Detroit murder rate has been lower than SA until about 2010, where SA's decreasing murder rate (skeptical about the stats though) and Detroit's increasing rate made detroit have more murders per 100 000.

 

[be.plato]

The Appalachian region is also mostly made up of rural communities. A dirt poor rural outpost is so very different to having half a million people crammed into a decaying city.

Chicago is not a decaying urban slum and yet the murder and voilence rate there is hectic.
Try again please.

 

[DJ...]

Chicago is not a decaying urban slum and yet the murder and voilence rate there is hectic.
Try again please.

Have you ever been to Chicago or do you only know it from what you've seen in the movies? Chicago is plagued with gang problems and much of the city is a slum...

 

[thestaggy]

Chicago is not a decaying urban slum and yet the murder and voilence rate there is hectic.
Try again please.

I'll see your Chicago and raise you Detroit, St. Louis and New Oreans. Ohio as a state is seeing major reductions in all of its major metros (Cinicinatti, Cleveland, Dayton, Akron) while steadily becoming increasingly violent (especially in the cases of Cinicnatti & Cleveland, the largest metros, which were the 10th & 12th deadliest cities in 2011 and both more deadly than Chicago.). Oakland in California is another once proud city that is rotting away and crime-ridden. There are a great many once mighty cities that are shrinking and seeing worsening social problems associated with economic decline.

As per 2011 murder stats;

1. New Orleans 57.6 (45.2% reduction in population since 1950, 11th worst in the US)
2. Detroit 48.2 (61.4 % reduction in population since 1950, 2nd worst in the US)
3. St. Louis 35.3 (62.7% in population reduction since 1950, worst in the US)

 

[phoneJunky]

I don't think comparing a city to the whole 3rd world country is fair. Rather compare Cape Town vs Detroit etc.

Cape Town is 41 vs 17 of SA. Cities tend to have higher murder rates than the national average. So saying Detroit is the same as SA is pushing it.