US Election 2020 - Pt 3

[Kieppie]

Trump's authoritarian play can scarcely be any more transparent. He's claiming, with zero evidence, that the election has already been rigged, if he loses.

Media claiming, without evidence, that Trump is Authoritarian, Fascist and some more buzzwords they don't understand.. He said, with evidence, that the delay in election results that mail in voting will cause will cause doubt in the election results. This is not debatable. Especially if failed signature verification needs to go back to voters This will either delay the results even more or it could mean that the mismatches are just ignored and tallied anyway causing more insecurity. Either way it will have a negative impact.

So he's preemptively trying to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of citizens and have his appointee rule in his favour if it's disputed. That's explicitly his play here.

Trump on peaceful transition if he loses: 'Get rid of the ballots' and 'there won't be a transfer'

"We're going to have to see what happens," Trump said. "You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster."

www.nbcnews.com

He is not saying discard ballots, he's saying to vote in person to increase the trust in the election. Those two claims are VERY different. He is also alluding to the fact that he thinks he is going to win. I have yet to see anyone admit and say "Yes if voting is safe and you're able to go vote in person to insure faster and more accurate election results". Until this is done by the media there will always remain this doubt as to motives.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Trump says he wants a conservative majority on the Supreme Court in case of an Election Day dispute. (Published 2020)

www.nytimes.com

He is not wrong. Experts suggest it will likely end up in court if the election results are delayed too much and if trust in the results is low. Just because a Judge is conservative does not mean the will always vote for them in rulings that is a very uniformed way of looking at it. As long as the appointee has a strong history of voting in line with the constitution that is what they will do.

 

[Kieppie]

You're wasting your time....

Well I'm holding out hope since he at least posts news sources together with his opinion not just pictures or twitter. So that implies you can have a debate. However this hope diminishes every time a canned response is seen.

 

[Ancalagon]

Democrats determined to treat November’s election as illegitimate — unless they win

A recent deep dive in the Washington Post, “What’s the Worst That Could Happen?,” exploring various potential outcomes of the 2020 presidential election, found that in “every scenario except a Bide…

nypost.com

Hugely ironic that the leftist media makes such a big deal out of what Trump says, but conveniently ignores the fact that the Democrats say that they will not admit defeat.

 

[cerebus]

Hugely ironic that the leftist media makes such a big deal out of what Trump says, but conveniently ignores the fact that the Democrats say that they will not admit defeat.

Democrats haven't said they won't admit defeat. They certainly would, if it was a clear victory. If there were shenanigans, like Trump is openly stating he will try to pull by putting his own electors in place and refusing to accept ballots, they should resist those. The Nypost article is bs.

 

[Ancalagon]

Democrats haven't said they won't admit defeat. They certainly would, if it was a clear victory. If there were shenanigans, like Trump is openly stating he will try to pull by putting his own electors in place and refusing to accept ballots, they should resist those. The Nypost article is bs.

Uh yeah, they have:

Hillary Clinton: Biden ‘should not concede under any circumstances’ in close race

 

[cerebus]

Uh yeah, they have:

Oh yeah, context...

Hillary Clinton: Biden ‘should not concede under any circumstances’

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a new interview that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden “should not concede under any circumstances” because she belie…

thehill.com

"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is," Clinton told former aide Jennifer Palmieri on Showtime's "The Circus."

"I think that [Republicans] have a couple of scenarios that they are looking toward. One is messing up absentee balloting. They believe that helps them so that they then get maybe a narrow advantage in the Electoral College on Election Day," Clinton, the 2016 Democratic nominee, alleged. "So we've got to have a massive legal operation, and I know the Biden campaign is working on that."

If Al Gore had refused to concede until the complete count was done in Florida, he would have been president. She's saying Biden should do the same, if Trump tries to bully him into conceding before all votes are counted. And he absolutely should.

 

[Kieppie]

Oh yeah, context...

I'm glad that you can make that distinction between the headline and the full statement. Now apply the same to what Trump said. Or just read my reply to OD earlier on this page.

 

[cerebus]

I'm glad that you can make that distinction between the headline and the full statement. Now apply the same to what Trump said. Or just read my reply to OD earlier on this page.

Regardless of whether Trump challenges the election results, which he is entitled to do, committing to a peaceful transition of power is an essential cornerstone of democracy. So far he hasn't done that. There is no more context needed.

 

[Kieppie]

Regardless of whether Trump challenges the election results, which he is entitled to do, committing to a peaceful transition of power is an essential cornerstone of democracy. So far he hasn't done that. There is no more context needed.

That's my point. He hasn't in fact said that he won't accept the results if there is a clear victory

 

[cerebus]

That's my point. He hasn't in fact said that he won't accept the results if there is a clear victory

No, but he explicitly didn't say he would accept the results, and that's what he was asked. That's why I said he refused to commit to a peaceful transition of power. It's really simple.

 

[cerebus]

LMPD: 2 officers shot in downtown Louisville protest Wednesday night

Two Louisville police officers were shot during downtown protests over Breonna Taylor, the department confirmed.

eu.courier-journal.com

Two Louisville Metro Police officers were shot in downtown Louisville Wednesday night, just eight hours after an indictment was returned in the Breonna Taylor case.

Interim LMPD chief Robert Schroeder confirmed two officers were shot and sustained non life-threatening injuries. One officer is in surgery, and the other is alert and in stable condition.

 

[Kieppie]

No, but he explicitly didn't say he would accept the results, and that's what he was asked. That's why I said he refused to commit to a peaceful transition of power. It's really simple.

Not saying something does not mean someone said the opposite.. That is not how logic works.
I can guarantee you that if a reporter asked Trump if on election night it is a clear win for Biden would he accept. Then he will say "yes absolutely", but they did not ask the question like that.

This is in line with the nonsense people believe like Trump secretly planning to add another term to his presidency. As if anyone in government would allow that. He is not some authoritarian dictator as much as you would like to believe that.

 

[cerebus]

Not saying something does not mean someone said the opposite.. That is not how logic works.
I can guarantee you that if a reporter asked Trump if on election night it is a clear win for Biden would he accept. Then he will say "yes absolutely", but they did not ask the question like that.

This is in line with the nonsense people believe like Trump secretly planning to add another term to his presidency. As if anyone in government would allow that. He is not some authoritarian dictator as much as you would like to believe that.

Dude... all he had to say was "yes". Instead he gave all the reasons why he shouldn't accept the election results and made up a conspiracy about how even if he lost it's only because he was being robbed by ballot fraud. He's been asked the same thing multiple times and he has never even indicated positively that he would accept the results.

 

[Kieppie]

Dude... all he had to say was "yes". Instead he gave all the reasons why he shouldn't accept the election results and made up a conspiracy about how even if he lost it's only because he was being robbed by ballot fraud. He's been asked the same thing multiple times and he has never even indicated positively that he would accept the results.

He was not asked that question now was he. Listen to the full question of the reporter, he added so much extra fluff. Then in line with what he asked Trump's response is reasonable. There is a big difference between losing on election night and losing 3-4 weeks later due to ballots still arriving.

This whole not accepting has been pushed, without evidence, since early this year...

Here's the real danger if Donald Trump loses the 2020 election

Joe Biden said Wednesday night that he believes if President Donald Trump loses the election and refuses to leave the White House, many of the former generals who used to work for him "will escort him from the White House with great dispatch."

edition.cnn.com

So far in history the only person who has not accepted an election is Hillary.

Again this is very easy to rectify. Go vote in person. Safe to do, faster and more secure results. Less complaining by anyone afterwards. Until this is promoted by both sides there WILL be mistrust.

 

[Temujin]

Not saying something does not mean someone said the opposite.. That is not how logic works.
I can guarantee you that if a reporter asked Trump if on election night it is a clear win for Biden would he accept. Then he will say "yes absolutely", but they did not ask the question like that.

This is in line with the nonsense people believe like Trump secretly planning to add another term to his presidency. As if anyone in government would allow that. He is not some authoritarian dictator as much as you would like to believe that.

Left logic left years ago

 

[buka001]

He was not asked that question now was he. Listen to the full question of the reporter, he added so much extra fluff. Then in line with what he asked Trump's response is reasonable. There is a big difference between losing on election night and losing 3-4 weeks later due to ballots still arriving.

This whole not accepting has been pushed, without evidence, since early this year...

Here's the real danger if Donald Trump loses the 2020 election

Joe Biden said Wednesday night that he believes if President Donald Trump loses the election and refuses to leave the White House, many of the former generals who used to work for him "will escort him from the White House with great dispatch."

edition.cnn.com

So far in history the only person who has not accepted an election is Hillary.

Again this is very easy to rectify. Go vote in person. Safe to do, faster and more secure results. Less complaining by anyone afterwards. Until this is promoted by both sides there WILL be mistrust.

Hillary Clinton did accept the result.

Hillary Clinton concedes presidential election to Donald Trump: 'We must accept this result'

Former secretary of state addresses supporters to formally concede election a day after Donald Trump pulled off stunning victory

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kieppie]

Left logic left years ago

I would say it is more a case of people selectively applying Orwell's Doublethink.

 

[Kieppie]

Hillary Clinton did accept the result.

Hillary Clinton concedes presidential election to Donald Trump: 'We must accept this result'

Former secretary of state addresses supporters to formally concede election a day after Donald Trump pulled off stunning victory

www.theguardian.com

You know that is not true. She is still to this day going on about how she actually won. Even on her book tours.

And if you think she accepted, but that Trump won't there is something wrong. He's personality won't allow it.

 

[buka001]

You know that is not true. She is still to this day going on about how she actually won. Even on her book tours.

And if you think she accepted, but that Trump won't there is something wrong. He's personality won't allow it.

Is this the Orwellian Doublespeak you speak of?

Hillary accepted the results, says Donald Trump is the president.

Then you say yeah, she said that, but actually she never said that??

Because something something feelings > facts.

 

[Kieppie]

Is this the Orwellian Doublespeak you speak of?

Hillary accepted the results, says Donald Trump is the president.

Then you say yeah, she said that, but actually she never said that??

Because something something feelings > facts.

Using feeling on me? Really?

What I'm saying is there is a difference between saying someone won and actually accepting it. She's been playing up the electoral college loss since it happened. There is no denying this,

As for Trump he won't wan't to stick around since he believes HE can fix everything. So if he see majority of people do not agree with him. He'll just stomp out thinking they can all go F themselves.