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buka001 said:
Sorry to hear.

What do you suggest South Africa does, especially given your personal experience of the poor quality of hospitals in South Africa?

Should they adopt measures that limit the amount of people who will require a space in the poor hospital? Or should they not?
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1) They need to accept that they are not going to be able to control it.

If your house looks like this, you are not going to be able to stay in it for 3 weeks.
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2) They have to get poor vulnerable people isolated from the population at large. I would almost go insofar as something like a UN refugee camp that has strict access control. You make it voluntary so if someone feels like they are at risk from dying from it, they have somewhere to go.

3) A shopping centre has already burned down because of the notification of the lock down.
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/watch-supermarket-in-khayelitsha-goes-up-in-flames-20200324

What do you think is going to happen here when the tiny scrapes of income that people get from being a carguard, vender etc dries up. C-19 will be a tiny blip on the radar compared to the social strife.
 
konfab said:
1) They need to accept that they are not going to be able to control it.

If your house looks like this, you are not going to be able to stay in it for 3 weeks.
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2) They have to get poor vulnerable people isolated from the population at large. I would almost go insofar as something like a UN refugee camp that has strict access control. You make it voluntary so if someone feels like they are at risk from dying from it, they have somewhere to go.

3) A shopping centre has already burned down because of the notification of the lock down.
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/watch-supermarket-in-khayelitsha-goes-up-in-flames-20200324

What do you think is going to happen here when the tiny scrapes of income that people get from being a carguard, vender etc dries up. C-19 will be a tiny blip on the radar compared to the social strife.
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This is the predicament faced by the SA government which is far more complex than the USA.

They have to balance all these matters and a full lockdown is what they have decided is the most practical solution to limit the loss of life.

A UN style refugee camp will be seen as the same, if not worse by people who live in squatter camps. So that is why the government would rather address that situation, than to spend money on something which would prove impractical as no one would go there.

The Government has not hesitated to mobilise the army to enforce this. They accept that people will not want to stay locked in, but the alternative is worse, given South Africa's high HIV and TB rates.

The one thing to come out of this Coronavirus pandemic in South Africa is, that finally many people are beginning to realise what white privilege is. Without realising it of course. You have done it. Rietrot literally said as much in his own words.

That is what is at stake here for South Africa. The under privileged face disastrous consequences and the resources and options that the government have it its disposal are limited.

With all the idealism in the world, the practical solution is unfortunately the most draconian one.
 
konfab said:
2) They have to get poor vulnerable people isolated from the population at large. I would almost go insofar as something like a UN refugee camp that has strict access control. You make it voluntary so if someone feels like they are at risk from dying from it, they have somewhere to go.

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Kinda agree with the idea of isolating the vulnerable, but not in a refugee camp. Bundling all the vulnerable into a camp isn't isolation and it will end badly if the virus gets in.
 
buka001 said:
This is the predicament faced by the SA government which is far more complex than the USA.

They have to balance all these matters and a full lockdown is what they have decided is the most practical solution to limit the loss of life.

A UN style refugee camp will be seen as the same, if not worse by people who live in squatter camps. So that is why the government would rather address that situation, than to spend money on something which would prove impractical as no one would go there.

The Government has not hesitated to mobilise the army to enforce this. They accept that people will not want to stay locked in, but the alternative is worse, given South Africa's high HIV and TB rates.

The one thing to come out of this Coronavirus pandemic in South Africa is, that finally many people are beginning to realise what white privilege is. Without realising it of course. You have done it. Rietrot literally said as much in his own words.

That is what is at stake here for South Africa. The under privileged face disastrous consequences and the resources and options that the government have it its disposal are limited.

With all the idealism in the world, the practical solution is unfortunately the most draconian one.
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Prefixing privilege with "white" is your problem.
 
rietrot said:
Prefixing privilege with "white" is your problem.
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How many white people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?

How many black people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?
 
buka001 said:
How many white people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?

How many black people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?
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You just can't think outside of racist group identity politics can you?

Is the life of the poor white person in a trailer park any more or less valuable than that of a black person in a shack?
 
rietrot said:
You just can't think outside of racist group identity politics can you?

Is the life of the poor white person in a trailer park any more or less valuable than that of a black person in a shack?
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No its not. It is equal. The point I have been making the whole time is that the value of life is the highest priority the government must place on its citizens and the full lockdown is hopefully going to be the measure that limits the loss of life to everyone.
 
Here is Trump basically laying the foundations for the next Civil War

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242536323870855174

How will it work?

He rebuffs New York because Cuomo was mean to him.

Some states offer help to New York. They get sidelined.

Other states get preferential treatment, because they placated Dear Leader.

Divisions form, states lock out to other states.

...
 
buka001 said:
Here is Trump basically laying the foundations for the next Civil War

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242536323870855174

How will it work?

He rebuffs New York because Cuomo was mean to him.

Some states offer help to New York. They get sidelined.

Other states get preferential treatment, because they placated Dear Leader.

Divisions form, states lock out to other states.

...
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Very problematic, will have to wait until all the dice have landed to see if the administration in some way followed through on these threats. Sadly with the whole concept of liberal tears it could even increase support in his most extreme supporters. Very sad times for that country.
 
Overall I'm happy to give credit to the administration and states now for getting their act together in terms of testing and being able articulate the scope of the effect on their infrastructure. At least they better know what they dealing with. Hope they use the data to good effect.
 
buka001 said:
This is the predicament faced by the SA government which is far more complex than the USA.

They have to balance all these matters and a full lockdown is what they have decided is the most practical solution to limit the loss of life.

A UN style refugee camp will be seen as the same, if not worse by people who live in squatter camps. So that is why the government would rather address that situation, than to spend money on something which would prove impractical as no one would go there.

The Government has not hesitated to mobilise the army to enforce this. They accept that people will not want to stay locked in, but the alternative is worse, given South Africa's high HIV and TB rates.

The one thing to come out of this Coronavirus pandemic in South Africa is, that finally many people are beginning to realise what white privilege is. Without realising it of course. You have done it. Rietrot literally said as much in his own words.

That is what is at stake here for South Africa. The under privileged face disastrous consequences and the resources and options that the government have it its disposal are limited.

With all the idealism in the world, the practical solution is unfortunately the most draconian one.
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Race has nothing to do with it. If I had the so-call white privilege that you love to tell all your friends about, I would be in favour of the lockdown as I would be unaware of the damage it would do to black people (because bruh, as a white person it is absolutely impossible to see something from someone else's perspective due to "lived experiences").

I have been arguing continuously that the economic damage to poor people in this country is going to be worse than C-19. It is rich progressives like you who don't see what demon is going to be unleashed, despite how much you tell your friends how much privilege you have.
 
buka001 said:
Here is Trump basically laying the foundations for the next Civil War

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242536323870855174

How will it work?

He rebuffs New York because Cuomo was mean to him.

Some states offer help to New York. They get sidelined.

Other states get preferential treatment, because they placated Dear Leader.

Divisions form, states lock out to other states.

...
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He's basically the AntiChrist, isn't he?
 
buka001 said:
How many white people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?

How many black people, as a percentage of the population are concerned about their shack?
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Has is occurred to you that maybe people who are living in the townships don't have the luxury of worrying about something that has a 4% chance of getting them sick?

Horrible evil, racist, people like me think that they are capable of judging this risk for themselves rather than having some half-baked communist in government do it for them.
 
konfab said:
Has is occurred to you that maybe people who are living in the townships don't have the luxury of worrying about something that has a 4% chance of getting them sick?

Horrible evil, racist, people like me think that they are capable of judging this risk for themselves rather than having some half-baked communist in government do it for them.
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Well it might just be the racist in me, but I don't think they can correctly judge the risk for themself, given a choice they will choose the half baked communists and go to their death like sheep to the slaughter.

I'm not implying that we should take away their right to identify as sheep.
 
konfab said:
Has is occurred to you that maybe people who are living in the townships don't have the luxury of worrying about something that has a 4% chance of getting them sick?
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Reckless and stupid. People living in the townships don't have the luxury of getting hooked onto a ventilator when they're dying of pneumonia, and they certainly don't have the information to 'judge the risk for themselves'. My wife contacted our former domestic worker and asked how she was doing, and she informed her that she was totally safe from the virus, even though she is living in a shack community.
 
cerebus said:
Reckless and stupid. People living in the townships don't have the luxury of getting hooked onto a ventilator when they're dying of pneumonia, and they certainly don't have the information to 'judge the risk for themselves'. My wife contacted our former domestic worker and asked how she was doing, and she informed her that she was totally safe from the virus, even though she is living in a shack community.
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Lol so progressive that you are against freedom.
 
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