US Election 2020

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Randhir said:
You're dealing with some who wants capitalism in its most pure form, they don't give a crap about lives.
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Actually I do.
Hence why I am opposed to the lockdown. It must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that you are plunging millions people into poverty, which does have an impact on long term life expectancy.

This is why I support policies that increases economic freedom, as the economic growth from that freedom is the only way poverty has ever been reduced.
 
AlmightyBender said:
In fact he stated that they should pay more for their own health insurance because of their greater risk. Like that is somehow an acceptable outcome for a society comprising of decent people. It isn't.

Call me a bleeding heart idealist but I actually WANT to subsidize those high risk workers with my premiums, even if it means I pay more. I WANT them to not be priced right out of the market.
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Fantastic and good for you. Which means you are free to pay for that yourself. You can join an insurance company that charges you more to pay for risky people.
Do that right now and phone your health insurance and tell them you want to pay them more money.

However that isn't what you want to do. You want to mortgage other people's lives for the benefit of those high risk workers.
 
konfab said:
Actually I do.
Hence why I am opposed to the lockdown. It must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that you are plunging millions people into poverty, which does have an impact on long term life expectancy.

This is why I support policies that increases economic freedom, as the economic growth from that freedom is the only way poverty has ever been reduced.
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Meanwhile, in Capitalism news:

In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.

After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.

The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.

The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.

Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.

And the costs of harvesting, processing and then transporting produce and milk to food banks or other areas of need would put further financial strain on farms that have seen half their paying customers disappear. Exporting much of the excess food is not feasible either, farmers say, because many international customers are also struggling through the pandemic and recent currency fluctuations make exports unprofitable.
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www.nytimes.com

Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic (Published 2020)

With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no longer sell.
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konfab said:
Fantastic and good for you. Which means you are free to pay for that yourself. You can join an insurance company that charges you more to pay for risky people.
Do that right now and phone your health insurance and tell them you want to pay them more money.

However that isn't what you want to do. You want to mortgage other people's lives for the benefit of those high risk workers.
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Yes I do because I completely selfishly want those services to exist in the first place. It is the only way we can have the nice things.

Your method will result in them being priced out of the market. Entirely. Thus creating an incentive for people to NOT become doctors that treat infectious diseases. Is that what you want? You want a laise fairre world where all the negative externalities spiral out of control? After eliminating the highest risk individuals from the insurance pool you inevitably need to move on to eliminating the next highest risk individuals from the pool, which spirals until insurance ultimately collapses. Did you miss that lecture in Microeconomics 203?

After all this time listening to you I am going to conclude that you are a radical economic extremist. Your online persona here seems to value free market principles above actual real life economic outcomes. Your views are completely out of touch with reality. At the same level of bad idea as pure communism.
 
AlmightyBender said:
After all this time listening to you I am going to conclude that you are a radical economic extremist.
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100%. In konfab's world nurses working 30 hour shifts without adequate PPE handling highly contagious dying people in hugely overcrowded NHS wards are on the same level as electricians and people who applaud them are religious zealots.
 
daveza said:
All those poverty stricken people with late model cars....
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I get it 'tho... Mostly financed, market is probably flooded right now and also, without one, your employment options after the virus are limited.
 
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Trump's Excuse For Holding Rallies Amid Growing Pandemic: He Can't Remember Them

The president claims he hasn't left the White House in months despite holding six campaign rallies in February and March.
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“I don’t know about rallies, I really don’t know about rallies,” Trump said at his press briefing when PBS reporter Yamiche Alcindor mentioned his continued campaign events during the worsening coronavirus pandemic.

“I know one thing, I haven’t left the White House in months, except for a brief moment to give a wonderful ship, the [USNS] Comfort,” he said.

When Alcindor pointed out that he had held a campaign rally on March 3, Trump said: “I don’t know, did I hold a rally? I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”
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Probably forgot the golf as well.
 
daveza said:
When Alcindor pointed out that he had held a campaign rally on March 3, Trump said: “I don’t know, did I hold a rally? I’m sorry, I hold a rally. Did I hold a rally?”
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I thought the conservatives voted him in for his stable geniosity?

konfab said:
It must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that you are plunging millions people into poverty, which does have an impact on long term life expectancy.
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And it must make you feel warm and fuzzy inside when NHS workers die because then they don't need to be paid.
 
Moosedrool said:
Is trump too anti China or too pro China?
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Good question, the Cheetos Zeus flip-flops on that subject.

www.politico.com

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

The president has lambasted the WHO for accepting Beijing’s assurances about the outbreak, but he repeated them, as well.
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Trump’s 3-Month-Old Tweet About China And The Coronavirus Comes Back To Haunt Him

Twitter users nailed the hypocrisy of the president's stunning change in tone.
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www.theatlantic.com

Trump Is Inciting a Coronavirus Culture War to Save Himself

The president’s attempt to racialize the pandemic is a cover-up of the fact that he trusted false reassurances from Beijing.
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China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

“The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency,” Trump wrote, adding: “It will all work out well.”

Donald Trump had a message for the Chinese government at the beginning of the year: Great job!

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency,” Trump tweeted on January 24. “It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”


Over the next month, the president repeatedly praised the Chinese government for its handling of the coronavirus, which appears to have first emerged from a wildlife market in the transportation hub of Wuhan, China, late last year. Trump lauded Chinese President Xi Jinping as “strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus,” and emphasized that the U.S. government was “working closely” with China to contain the disease.
 
TysonRoux said:
The Trumptards just hate the fact that the recently elected Kentucky Governor is a Democrat.

The Trump Cultards would do whatever it takes to please their dear leader, ........so they'll defy social distancing and mask wearing while they protest in public.
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