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rietrot

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Yeah he's definitely been pro-science since then :ROFL: Hydroxychloroquine says what?



OK carry on then rolling on the laughing floor.
Those tweets are factually correct there's nothing really wrong with them, but I have no idea why you want to prevent people from having access to a posibly lifesaving drug just because Trump trolled someone way back when on Twitter.
 

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Trump’s crisis mismanagement alienating seniors

For a preview on how things could get worse for the president, look at the evolving political views of seniors, one of Trump’s most supportive constituencies in the previous election. They are also the most concerned about the coronavirus, given they have a much greater risk of dying if they become infected.

The latest Morning Consult poll found that 65-and-older voters prioritized defeating the coronavirus over healing the economy by nearly a 6-to-1 ratio. And over the past month, they’ve become the group most disenchanted with Trump’s handling of the crisis. In mid-March, seniors were more supportive of Trump than any other age group (plus-19 net approval). Now, their net approval of the president has dropped 20 points and is lower than any age group outside of the youngest Americans.

Those findings were matched by a new NBC/WSJ poll, which tested the presidential matchup between Trump and Joe Biden. Among seniors 65 and older, Biden led Trump by 9 points, 52 to 43 percent. That’s a dramatic 16-point swing from Hillary Clinton’s showing in the 2016 election; she lost seniors by 7 points to Trump (52-45 percent).

Seniors are among the most engaged voters in the country (71 percent went to the polls in 2016), and were critical to Trump’s victory. They’ve remained supportive of him for much of his presidency. And they’re counting on the president to protect them at a particularly precarious moment. If Trump’s desire to quickly reopen the economy ends up backfiring, they’ll be the first to abandon him and deal his reelection prospects a crippling blow.

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Most seniors are retired and many of those people, like my dad, were fortunate enough to get defined benefit (rather than defined contribution) pensions. In other words, they get the same amount of money per month regardless of how the company is performing. If I was elderly, I'd also prioritise my health over the economy since I have less stake in the economy in my later years. I've done the work, so to speak.
 

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Most seniors are retired and many of those people, like my dad, were fortunate enough to get defined benefit (rather than defined contribution) pensions. In other words, they get the same amount of money per month regardless of how the company is performing. If I was elderly, I'd also prioritise my health over the economy since I have less stake in the economy in my later years.

100%, which is why Republican 'folk should want to die for the economy' messaging has been absurd.
 

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Guess that is true. Also, mail-in ballots could theoretically work to Republicans' advantage if the old folk don't want to venture out in November.

I'm all for mail-in ballots, and in a time of Corona it's unconscionable not to have it as an option.

Remember, Wisconsin Republicans and the SC basically forced in-person voting in early April, and now...

Officials Link 7 Coronavirus Cases in Wisconsin to In-Person Voting

(MILWAUKEE) — Officials have identified seven people who appear to have contracted the coronavirus through activities related to the April 7 election in Wisconsin, Milwaukee’s health commissioner said.

Commissioner Jeanette Kowalik said six of the cases involve Milwaukee voters and one is a Milwaukee poll worker, the Journal Sentinel reported.

Officials hope to have additional information on the cases by the end of the week, including whether any of them were concentrated in any of the city’s five polling places or if any resulted in death, Kowalik said Monday.

Wisconsin Department of Health Services Secretary Andrea Palm said Monday there were no signs yet of a surge in cases from the election as some feared. Palm noted, however, that if cases do exist symptoms may not have appeared yet.

Tuesday marks the 14th day since the election, which is a time frame during which health officials say symptoms typically appear.

Voters who went to the polls in Milwaukee stood in long lines, many for several hours, in order to cast their ballots. Many had no protective gear. And thousands of Wisconsin voters stayed home, unwilling to risk their health and unable to be counted because requested absentee ballots never arrived.

The coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms for most people, but for some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness or death. To date, 230 people have died in Wisconsin and nearly 4,500 have tested positive.
 

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Now get your on-air folk to say this:

The Senate Intelligence Committee found that officials who drafted and prepared the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment of Russian interference in the last presidential election “were under no political pressure” to reach “specific conclusions” and praised the “strong tradecraft” applied in creating the document, a new report released by the committee's Republicans and Democrats revealed.

The panel on Tuesday released the fourth volume of its five-part report on the committee’s yearlong bipartisan investigation into Russian interference in the last presidential election, focusing on the Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA).

The committee found that the ICA presented a “coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case that Russia engaged in an attempt to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”

The committee said that all analytic lines were supported with all-source intelligence and that the ICA “reflects proper analytic tradecraft.”

“Additionally, interviews with those who drafted and prepared the ICA affirmed that analysts were under no political pressure to reach specific conclusions,” the committee found.

The committee also said the ICA reflected a proper representation of the intelligence collected, but noted that the document did not include information provided by ex-British intelligence officer and author of the infamous Trump dossier Christopher Steele. The ICA, instead, included a summary of Steele’s reporting in an annex “largely at the insistence of FBI’s senior leadership.”

The back-and-forth over Steele’s reporting being included in the final ICA prepared for then-President Barack Obama was between former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who, despite the inaccuracies and uncorroborated nature of Steele’s report, said he wanted to include that information.

McCabe told the Justice Department inspector general’s office he believed the Steele reporting needed to be included in that ICA because "President Obama had requested 'everything you have relevant to this topic of Russian influence.’"

But, CIA officials pushed back, arguing that Steele's reporting was simply "internet rumor," and merited inclusion only as an appendix in the final report. McCabe argued that including it as an appendix was simply "tacking it on" in a way that "would minimize" the information and prevent it from being properly considered—despite Comey's assertion that Steele's reporting was "not ripe enough, mature enough, to be a finished intelligence product.”

Ultimately, as the Senate Intelligence Committee report noted, "the FBI's view did not prevail," and the final ICA report included Steele's reporting only as a short summary in an appendix.

Meanwhile, the committee also found that the ICA made a clear argument that the “manner and aggressiveness of Russia’s election interference was unprecedented.”

Committee Chairman Richard Burr, R-N.C., said in a statement Tuesday that the ICA “reflects strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning, and proper justification of disagreement in the one analytical line where it occurred.”

“The Committee found no reason to dispute the Intelligence Community’s conclusions,” Burr said, adding that one of the ICA’s “most important conclusions” was Russia’s “aggressive interference efforts should be considered ‘the new normal.’”

“That warning has been borne out by the events of the last three years, as Russia and its imitators increasingly use information warfare to sow societal chaos and discord,” Burr said. “With the 2020 presidential election approaching, it’s more important than ever that we remain vigilant against the threat of interference from hostile foreign actors.”

Ranking Member Mark Warner, D-Va., also praised the ICA, saying it represented “the kind of unbiased and professional work we expect and require from the Intelligence Community.”

“The ICA correctly found the Russians interfered in our 2016 election to hurt Secretary Clinton and help the candidacy of Donald Trump. Our review of the highly classified ICA and underlying intelligence found that this and other conclusions were well-supported,” he said. “There is certainly no reason to doubt that the Russians’ success in 2016 is leading them to try again in 2020, and we must not be caught unprepared.”

 

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Now get your on-air folk to say this:



I thought fox news was pro trump? Did they not read that correctly or did I not read it correctly?
 

greg0205

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I thought fox news was pro trump? Did they not read that correctly or did I not read it correctly?

They are. Very much so, in fact.

That's Fox Digital and it's pretty much spot-on on the Senate Intelligence Committee's findings.

That was the point of my post really... Will we see F&F, Carlson, Hannity and Ingram report it that way or report it at all, because they've been Russiagate cheerleaders so far.
 

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New Covid-19 fault lines emerge

Divisions have emerged along a timeworn North vs. South divide, and hope for unity has been further undermined by Trump


The result is a mess of mixed messages and conflicting logic on opening up that calls into doubt President Donald Trump's claims he backs a "beautiful puzzle" of science-based returns to normality. It comes as anxiety that the pandemic is nowhere near over is being exacerbated by a warning from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention chief Robert Redfield that the pandemic could be much worse next winter.

The mishmash is likely to do little to instill confidence in a populace that polls show is mostly skeptical about emerging from their homes. And that confidence will be vital to triggering the economic rebound everybody wants.

Trump, with a clear eye on his reelection prospects, keeps implying that normal life and a swift end to the terrible economic deprivation sparked by the virus are around the corner.
 
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