US Election 2020

[buka001]

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And still doing it... how is him pleading guilty proof of guilt? The 5 plead guilty, therefore proof of guilt yes?
The rest of your waffle is just you trying to shift goal posts

The 5 pled guilty but there was physical evidence that proved their innocence.

What new evidence has come to light that proves his innocence?

 

[rietrot]

So who needs courts then? Off to Somalia with you.

You aren't making any sense. I fully support due process and a fair trial.

 

[rietrot]

The 5 pled guilty but there was physical evidence that proved their innocence.

What new evidence has come to light that proves his innocence?

Nothing and nobody has claimed that there has.

 

[Emjay]

The 5 pled guilty but there was physical evidence that proved their innocence.

What new evidence has come to light that proves his innocence?

How convenient that you chose to ignore the second question.

Nothing and nobody has claimed that there has.

And they won't even think about addressing it. Everything around Russiagate stinks. But, Michael Flynn!#@# The means justify the ends for ideologues.

 

[buka001]

Not because of his skin colour. Because he was snooping around on a construction site and later attacked someone innocent just trying to ask him what he was doing.

Obviously he didn't look like your average jogger, I can guarantee those guys have better things to do than to chase down each jogger.
I'm sure they had a perfectly valid reason to be suspicious.

Pointing a weapon at someone is illegal and is therefore not "innocently" asking someone questions.

 

[Gnarls]

How convenient that you chose to ignore the second question.

Standard NPC script. You have to jailbreak them to change the settings.

 

[buka001]

The central park 5 were clearly lying to the FBI when they confessed to those crimes, therefore they should be prosecuted for lying to the FBI, just like with Flynn. Yes?

And, do you think it's ok for prosecutors to hide exculpatory information during the trial?

Have you ever read anything about the Central Park 5?

These children were held without counsel or having a legal guardian present and were bullied for several hours by policeman, who spend all day long getting confessions from people, and got the kids to admit to being on the scene.

They were led by the police to admit to minor offences, which the police then used against each of the 5, to get them to admit that they were there at the rape. They then got the kids to admit that they would be able to go home if they implicated one of the other 4 as being responsible for the rape and beatings. Thereby having all 5 implicated in one way or another the DA proceeded.

By the time the guardians arrived it was all to late. The police then videotaped the confessions. The hours and hours of interrogation was not filmed.

All the confessions contradicted themselves. No consistency. The DA just washed over this.

The kids retracted their confessions within weeks.

How does any of that compare to an adult General being questioned by the FBI? Lying to the FBI and lying to a judge and acknowledging to the judge he was aware of the whole circumstances and understood it all.

 

[buka001]

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You too trying to shift them goal posts. Argument has nothing to do with anything you just wrote. I made it very clear from first post. Perhaps go back and read thread again.

So you made a strawman? Exactly.

 

[Temujin]

The 5 pled guilty but there was physical evidence that proved their innocence.

What new evidence has come to light that proves his innocence?

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Again. Its not difficult. The discussion isn't about evidence proving innocence etc. Its about 'pleading guilty = proof of guilt'. He said hes plead guilty twice making it a miscarriage of justice. Pleading guilty is not proof of guilt. Innocent plead guilty for various reasons, lower sentences etc when they see no way out. eg. the 5. If you want pleading guilty to be proof of guilt then you can't defend the 5 as they plead guilty.
Now, but mah evidence, thats the goal posts shifting... the chance was given, twice, many posts back to stop and rethink the 'he plead guilty' argument, he could have added the 'given evidence, history' etc all into the argument as reason for it being a miscarriage of justice, but no... no rethinking done, just doubled down on 'he plead guilty therefore hes guilty'... and now you come trying to shift them goals for him too

 

[buka001]

How convenient that you chose to ignore the second question.



And they won't even think about addressing it. Everything around Russiagate stinks. But, Michael Flynn!#@# The means justify the ends for ideologues.

They recanted their confessions before trial.

The confessions were still used against them in court.

In court they said they were coerced. One of the 5 had to be removed from court he was so loud in his objection to the prosecutors use of the false confessions.

What did Flynn say to the judge in respect to that same scenario?

Oh yes, this -

So strawman and false equivalence.

 

[Temujin]

So you made a strawman? Exactly.

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No, he made his own strawman, I was very polite and said twice he needs to rethink his argument

 

[rietrot]

So you made a strawman? Exactly.

Lol every comparison that you don't like is a strawman?

 

[buka001]

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Again. Its not difficult. The discussion isn't about evidence proving innocence etc. Its about 'pleading guilty = proof of guilt'. He said hes plead guilty twice making it a miscarriage of justice. Pleading guilty is not proof of guilt. Innocent plead guilty for various reasons, lower sentences etc when they see no way out. eg. the 5. If you want pleading guilty to be proof of guilt then you can't defend the 5 as they plead guilty.
Now, but mah evidence, thats the goal posts shifting... the chance was given, twice, many posts back to stop and rethink the 'he plead guilty' argument, he could have added the 'given evidence, history' etc all into the argument as reason for it being a miscarriage of justice, but no... no rethinking done, just doubled down on 'he plead guilty therefore hes guilty'... and now you come trying to shift them goals for him too

I get your point.

My point is use a better example as in this case, the 5 had recanted their confessions before trial and told the court that they were led into a false confession.

Plus they were kids, without legal guidance.

An adult General of the US Army was asked by the judge in court and he still maintained his guilt and expressed that he fully understood the implication and consequences of his plea, with his lawyer present.

 

[truman19]

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Again. Its not difficult. The discussion isn't about evidence proving innocence etc. Its about 'pleading guilty = proof of guilt'. He said hes plead guilty twice making it a miscarriage of justice. Pleading guilty is not proof of guilt. Innocent plead guilty for various reasons, lower sentences etc when they see no way out. eg. the 5. If you want pleading guilty to be proof of guilt then you can't defend the 5 as they plead guilty.
Now, but mah evidence, thats the goal posts shifting... the chance was given, twice, many posts back to stop and rethink the 'he plead guilty' argument, he could have added the 'given evidence, history' etc all into the argument as reason for it being a miscarriage of justice, but no... no rethinking done, just doubled down on 'he plead guilty therefore hes guilty'... and now you come trying to shift them goals for him too

Granting clemency to someone who pled guilty twice just because he’s buddies with the POTUS? If that isn’t a miscarriage of justice i don’t know what is

Cerebus's point does take evidence into account,Flynn was granted clemency without any new evidence proving his innocence just because he is friends with the president,which is exactly what cerebus said

How the Central Park 5 who were granted clemency due to new evidence seem relevant to you in this case is beyond me...

 

[Temujin]

I get your point.

My point is use a better example as in this case, the 5 had recanted their confessions before trial and told the court that they were led into a false confession.

Plus they were kids, without legal guidance.

An adult General of the US Army was asked by the judge in court and he still maintained his guilt and expressed that he fully understood the implication and consequences of his plea, with his lawyer present.

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Oh yeah, you're spot on... I'm not even arguing that... I'm not even arguing flynn or the 5, just using the pleas as examples. My argument is only on the argument given, someone pleading guilty is not proof of guilt etc, and because someone pleaded guilty, its should never be seen as a miscarriage of justice if they are exonerated. As with the 5, more evidence can come forward. As said, not arguing evidence etc, I honestly thought when I said 'given your post history', he would have said wait, I need to put more into my argument than just a 'he plead guilty' /shrug

 

[TysonRoux]

The Orange Snollygoster trying to sneak one past the Brits.

Democrats demand details of Trump Organization requests for UK coronavirus aid

Head of oversight and reform committee suggests move to seek overseas funding was potentially a violation of the US constitution

www.theguardian.com

Congressional investigators in Washington are demanding information about loans and other funds that the Trump Organization has requested from foreign governments, including Britain, in the wake of the coronavirus crisis.

The demand for information follows a media report last month that said the Trump Organization was seeking UK and Irish bailout funds to cover wages of employees who had been furloughed from the company’s golf properties in Europe due to the pandemic.

In a letter to Eric Trump, the president’s son and vice president of the Trump Organization, Carolyn Maloney, the Democratic chairwoman of the House oversight and reform committee, suggested the decision to seek funding in the UK was problematic and potentially a violation of the US constitution, which calls for a president to have undivided loyalty to the US.

The US Congress has already passed legislation prohibiting US taxpayer funds from being used to benefit companies in which Donald Trump holds a stake.

“Apart from the grave emoluments clause problems your actions cause in the United States, officials in the United Kingdom have raised serious concerns about using their own taxpayer funds to bail out President Trump’s companies,” Maloney wrote.

Trudeau, Macron and Johnson caught on camera laughing at Trump

‘You just watched his team’s jaws drop to the floor,’ Trudeau heard saying in candid exchange

www.independent.co.uk

 

[TysonRoux]

Being Asian-American in the time of Covid-19 | Geoffrey Mak

Anti-Asian hate crimes are on the rise. It’s a scary time – but we must fight for diversity

www.theguardian.com

Anti-Asian hate crimes are on the rise. In New York, a woman punched an Asian woman on the street, possibly dislocating her jaw, after shouting “You’ve got coronavirus!” In Texas, a man cut and stabbed a Burmese American family of four at a Sam’s Club, slashing one of their two sons from the back of his ear to his eye. One day, I’ll hear Trump insist on calling the coronavirus “the Chinese virus”, and on another, I’ll read the Chinese American writer Jiayang Fan report hearing a man call her a “Chinese bitch” while she was taking out the trash. At some point between the two, I stop thinking my sister was imagining dirty looks, and I think twice about whether or not I should take walks with earbuds in. “I wasn’t offended,” writes Fan. “I was afraid.”

 

[SoldierMan]

Being Asian-American in the time of Covid-19 | Geoffrey Mak

Anti-Asian hate crimes are on the rise. It’s a scary time – but we must fight for diversity

www.theguardian.com

Anti-Asian hate crimes are on the rise. In New York, a woman punched an Asian woman on the street, possibly dislocating her jaw, after shouting “You’ve got coronavirus!” In Texas, a man cut and stabbed a Burmese American family of four at a Sam’s Club, slashing one of their two sons from the back of his ear to his eye. One day, I’ll hear Trump insist on calling the coronavirus “the Chinese virus”, and on another, I’ll read the Chinese American writer Jiayang Fan report hearing a man call her a “Chinese bitch” while she was taking out the trash. At some point between the two, I stop thinking my sister was imagining dirty looks, and I think twice about whether or not I should take walks with earbuds in. “I wasn’t offended,” writes Fan. “I was afraid.”

Trump responsible for all the anti-Asian attacks now too If ol' Tyson carries on like this soon Trump will be guilty for creating the coronavirus itself

 

[greg0205]

Is this bad? It sounds bad? Is it bad?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1258736808864681984

 

[greg0205]

Employed as share of the population:

Just for fun, see if you can spot the Republican presidencies in that graph.