US pledges financial rescue plan (2008)

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US pledges financial rescue plan

US officials are working on a plan to help rid US banks of their bad debts in order to tackle the devastating global financial crisis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7624482.stm

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Firstly who gave the US permission to tackle the global financial crisis when they are the cause due to their Doofus financial tactics?

It would be interesting to know how their clumsy dim-witted mess can be mitigated by the rest of the world...rather than allowing the US to just stumble and make a bigger mess things…
 
You're not the only one that thinks the US economy tactics are of the caliber one would expect from an ingnoramus. Other prominent businessmen and women also think so.

Yesterday you should have heard what the economist who phoned in on 5FM had to say, he had no qualms about calling a spade a spade, and used adjectives like "trailor trash", "low IQ" , etc....
 
You're not the only one that thinks the US economy tactics are of the caliber one would expect from an ingnoramus. Other prominent businessmen and women also think so.

Yesterday you should have heard what the economist who phoned in on 5FM had to say, he had no qualms about calling a spade a spade, and used adjectives like "trailor trash", "low IQ" , etc....

Economists are like the weathermen on TV.
 
You're not the only one that thinks the US economy tactics are of the caliber one would expect from an ingnoramus. Other prominent businessmen and women also think so.

Yesterday you should have heard what the economist who phoned in on 5FM had to say, he had no qualms about calling a spade a spade, and used adjectives like "trailor trash", "low IQ" , etc....

I actually heard that, and enjoyed the honesty and fact, as I do yours.
 
Clearly Americans are clueless since they're the sole superpower. I shudder at the thought of what the rest of the world must be :o

Of course you have no clue that Sweden had a similar but more severe meltdown in the 90s and they're all uber "enlightened" up there aren't they :rolleyes:
 
Clearly Americans are clueless since they're the sole superpower. I shudder at the thought of what the rest of the world must be :o

Of course you have no clue that Sweden had a similar but more severe meltdown in the 90s and they're all uber "enlightened" up there aren't they :rolleyes:

Explain?
 
STOCKHOLM--In the early 1990s, Sweden experienced the worst financial crisis suffered by any industrial country since the Depression. The Swedish banking collapse wiped out fortunes, cost taxpayers a staggering amount of money, and may have permanently reduced the country's standard of living.

"Our crisis was more serious than what we have seen so far in the United States," observed Hans Soderstrom, an adjunct professor of economics at the Stockholm School of Economics, referring to America's subprime mortgage mess. Thus, as Washington watches Wall Street's slow-motion meltdown, Stockholm may have much to teach the next president about weathering banking tsunamis.

Sweden's response to its banking problems was bipartisan, transparent, massive, and, above all, fast. And the principal lesson, according to Stefan Ingves, head of the Swedish Central Bank, was: "You cannot rely on the private sector or markets alone to solve systemic banking problems." During the crisis, Ingves ran the Swedish Bank Support Authority, which was charged with resolving many of the bad loans.

As with the U.S. savings and loan crisis in the 1980s and today's subprime mortgage fiasco, Sweden's banking problems were triggered by desirable but poorly managed deregulation. The loosening of financial-sector rules led to a rapid expansion of credit followed by a boom in real estate prices that eventually crashed.

In the 1960s and '70s, Swedish interest rates were effectively negative, after adjusting for inflation, and there were limits on lending. But in 1985, seeing how financial deregulation was energizing business in Britain and the United States, Sweden liberalized its interest rates and credit ceilings. Credit-hungry companies and households rushed to borrow. Seeing an opportunity to boost revenues, bank managers took new risks. A credit boom ensued.

Home prices more than doubled between 1981 and 1991. Commercial real estate followed suit. But a change in the tax laws in the late 1980s meant that consumers could no longer deduct interest payments on debt, effectively increasing the cost of mortgages. Thanks to rising inflation and no interest-rate regulation, the cost of borrowing in Sweden skyrocketed.

The bottom eventually fell out of the real estate market. From 1990 to 1995, commercial real estate prices fell 42 per cent in real terms and residential prices dropped 25 percent. People who had used real estate as collateral for loans became insolvent overnight. And banks' portfolios of nonperforming loans mushroomed.

External events compounded Sweden's domestic problems. A global economic slowdown sparked by Germany's reunification and the oil shock after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait caused Sweden to slide into recession in late 1990. As the economy weakened, speculators began to bet against the Swedish krona. To maintain the fixed exchange rate, the government kept raising interest rates, which, in a recession, was counterproductive. Eventually the krona had to be devalued. This posed an added challenge for Swedish banks and corporations that had borrowed extensively in foreign currencies and now had to repay those loans with a depreciated krona.

The first victims of this financial perfect storm were Forsta Sparbanken and Nordbanken, two of the six largest financial institutions in Sweden. By the fall of 1991 neither had adequate capital. To keep them operating, the state was forced to guarantee a loan for Forsta and take over Nordbanken. Within a year, a third major institution, Gota Bank, went under and was also taken over by the government. At that point, the state owned 22 percent of the nation's banking system assets.

"If the state had not intervened," Soderstrom said, "the banking crisis would have brought down the economy."

The government also offered guarantees to all depositors and creditors in the core banking system, but not to bank stockholders. "The guarantees ensured there would not be a run on the system," he said.

The state then identified the good and bad assets held by Gota Bank and Nordbanken and set up separate entities to manage them. The portfolio of good loans was eventually consolidated into what is now Nordea bank, which was privatized. The government companies overseeing the bad loans provided equity to troubled borrowers and, in some cases, hired new management.

"We made them solvent and eligible for loans again," said Bo Lundgren, who was the minister of fiscal and financial affairs during the crisis.

The government rapidly sold off assets as they became business-worthy again, although it retains 20 percent of Nordea.

The cost was staggering. Swedish taxpayers initially shelled out 4 percent of gross domestic product to cover the bad loans. (By comparison, the savings and loan crisis cost 2.6 percent of U.S. GDP.) But the government eventually turned a profit by privatizing the assets it had acquired. Nevertheless, Soderstrom estimates that the crisis wiped 1 trillion krona off household and corporate balance sheets, an amount equal to two-thirds of the Swedish economy at the time. The country endured a three-year recession, and the economy has never regained its relative rank among other industrial societies.

A 2007 study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland saw lessons in Sweden's experience. "Any number of events can lead to crises," the report concluded, "but the general principles for resolving crises successfully are universal."

Bipartisanship: Political backbiting impedes problem-solving. The conservatives who governed Sweden in the early 1990s worked closely with the opposition Social Democrats, who had every reason to cooperate because they had been in power when the seeds of the crisis were sown. Swedes credit their bipartisanship for the rapid restoration of investor faith in the country's financial system. Such coordination is easier to pull off in a small, homogeneous society. Nevertheless, the cost of partisanship was only too evident in Japan in the 1990s, where factional bickering prolonged banking difficulties.

Transparency: Stockholm concealed neither the extent nor the nature of its banking problems, even though such openness risked fanning public fears of the magnitude of the crisis. Bad loans were priced at their current market value. Such marking to market has its downsides. It punishes those who took risk and rewards those who didn't. Business leaders--such as investor Erik Penser, who owned Nobel Industries--lost nearly everything because they were not given time to make good on their debt.

Expediency: The Swedish government moved rapidly to guarantee all depositors and creditors while taking over failing banks and bad loans. "If you try to muddle through," Lundgren said, "you will only prolong the crisis." But Swedish officials admit that it is not easy to determine what is a regular bank, who is a depositor, and who bears the ultimate risk.

Overcapitalization: The government promised to spend what it would take to resolve the crisis both because the cost was unknown and because there was fear that asking for too little and subsequently needing more would panic financial markets. This open-ended commitment also minimized day-to-day legislative interference in bank restructuring. "It was a very large confidence measure," recalled Johan Schuck, finance columnist at the Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter.

Control: The state demanded control over bank assets equivalent to the risk it assumed in taking on bad debts. The government eventually reaped the benefits when it sold those assets. This principle--the socialization of control equal to the socialization of risk--ensured that only financial institutions in dire straits accepted the money.

Preparation: Sweden had no legal framework to deal with banking crises. It even lacked deposit insurance. Extraordinary powers should be put in place before they are needed, Swedish officials advise. "All involved with today's problems should be studying the U.S. banking crisis of 1933," Lundgren said.

Flexibility: And, most important, every crisis is different. "You have to improvise at all points," Soderstrom said.

In the end, Lundgren noted, "Swedish banks have all learned a lesson: be more cautious." The next U.S. president can only hope that American financial institutions can learn the same lesson without the economic trauma that Sweden experienced.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/print_friendly.php?ID=ei_20080621_6513
 
OK, so we have some similarities between what happened in Sweden and what happened in the US. A bubble did indeed burst, and it's the housing bubble. The question now is, will the US learn from this and make the necessary reforms?

To maintain the fixed exchange rate, the government kept raising interest rates, which, in a recession, was counterproductive. Eventually the krona had to be devalued. This posed an added challenge for Swedish banks and corporations that had borrowed extensively in foreign currencies and now had to repay those loans with a depreciated krona.
Seems some of those in the anti-Mboweni camp have a point? Although we're not having a bubble burst here in SA, could we face a devaluing of the rand?
 
Ok, now that is sweden, and I quote: "Some 4.5 million residents are working, out of which around a third with tertiary education."

Americans can barely talk english and Britney Spears is their role model.
 
Ok, now that is sweden, and I quote: "Some 4.5 million residents are working, out of which around a third with tertiary education."

Americans can barely talk english and Britney Spears is their role model.

Make no mistake, America has it's fair share of challenges. I've personally known Americans who never finished high school but could go directly into tertiary education and then wondered why they flunked year after year.
 
Doofus American economy? Just don't make the mistake of confusing economists, civil servants, and investment bankers with real hardworking people who do real work and power the real US economy. America is the land of small business - by far the majority of Americans are employed in small enterprises of <20 people or less, not the megacorporations the media prattle on about. On any 5-year scale, the American economy has been and still is the world's job creation champion, far outstripping Europe or Asia. Their workforce is the most productive on the planet, and even though many complain about manufacturing migrations to Asia, America still has by far the largest manufacturing base on the planet. Even in the current crisis, its capital markets are in better shape than almost anywhere else, and certainly in far, far better shape than say China. There's no magic in the real world ... the Chinese export-led boom will certainly tank as capital dries up (dumped into a black hole by trading losses and especially by $700-billion in bad loans/investments inside China) and the world will say 'thank God for the American economy'. Remember, Japan and S.Korea are in prolonged slumps for much the same reason, though China is much more exposed than they ever were. The chickens are already on their way to roosting in China.

There's a helluva lot more to the US economy than high-flying investment banks building card-castles out of toxic derivatives. Besides, the genius of the market is 'creative destruction', which kills off inefficient firms and creates space for better new ones. What's really depressing is not the current failures but the government rescues, which simply prolongs the life of poor capital managers and distorts the economy even further.
 
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On any 5-year scale, the American economy has been and still is the world's job creation champion, far outstripping Europe or Asia.

Job creation fine, but actual value in production, I'm not so sure about. Maybe their easy accesible loans ensured the jobs.

Their workforce is the most productive on the planet, and even though many complain about manufacturing migrations to Asia, America still has by far the largest manufacturing base on the planet.

I’m confident the Indian and Chinese exceed this by far.

the Chinese export-led boom will certainly tank as capital dries up (dumped into a black hole by trading losses and especially by $700-billion in bad loans/investments inside China)

This is concerning, I hope they change their focus to curb this risk. Maybe they should improve their exports interests with Russia instead.

and the world will say 'thank God for the American economy'.

This will never happen…

What's really depressing is not the current failures but the government rescues, which simply prolongs the life of poor capital managers and distorts the economy even further.

This I agree with without a doubt.

Nice read, I enjoyed that.
 
I’m confident the Indian and Chinese exceed this by far
+1

America is fast becoming a land of just corporate management. In another thread I posted a link to an abstract about that book I read, where they claim that manufacturing jobs in America are dwindling big time, and it's being replaced by management types with no clue of basic technical concepts.

The Chinese are far more productive and the big thing is, these days companies don't want to pay for labour so they have their stuff made in China. As to why they don't want to pay for labour, because it cuts too deep into their fatcat pockets.
 
Ok, now that is sweden, and I quote: "Some 4.5 million residents are working, out of which around a third with tertiary education."

Americans can barely talk english and Britney Spears is their role model.

And have an actual unemployment rate of around 20% :o

Hans Karlsson, a leftwing heavyweight, concluded that true unemployment was more in the ballpark of 20-25%, not 5% as the government was claiming. To make things even worse this guy happened to have the name as the Minister for Labor!

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-high-is-total-swedish-unemployment.html

and rather sickly :o

From a workforce of just over four million people, "we have more than 100,000 cases of people who have been on sick-leave for more than a year ... This is very expensive," Bertil Thorslund, a caseworker at Sweden's Social Insurance agency, told AFP

If the sick-leave levels in Sweden really were an indicator of how sick we are, we would be facing a plague here," Thorslund said.

The problem is that "our social insurance has tended to be viewed as a universal solution to all problems. Getting a divorce? Go on sick-leave. Unhappy with where you're living? Go on sick-leave. Unemployed? Go on sick-leave," Thorslund said.

Another problem is that the sick-leaves prescribed by doctors are getting longer.

"There's something wrong when the time off for a broken ankle more than doubles in just a few years," Odmark said, insisting that longer sick-leave for small injuries easily leads to long term disability and finally early retirement.

"It only takes a few months on sick-leave before people start identifying themselves with their illness ... Long sick-leave aren't healthy," Odmark said.

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1851

Oh and I'm pretty sure many Swedes are big fans of Ms Spears :sick:
 
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