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Xarog said:
Not while the key pieces of the rebuttal are blacked out. ;)
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I liked this:

"In fact, the FBI interviewed Page in March 2016 about his contact with Russian intelligence, the very month candidate Donald Trump named him a foreign policy advisor"

I also liked:

"In fact, DOJ and the FBI would have been remiss in their duty to protect the country had they not sought a FISA warrant and repeated renewals to conduct temporary surveillance of Carter Page, someone the FBI assessed to be an agent of the Russian government."
 
greg0205 said:
I liked this:

"In fact, the FBI interviewed Page in March 2016 about his contact with Russian intelligence, the very month candidate Donald Trump named him a foreign policy advisor"

I also liked:

"In fact, DOJ and the FBI would have been remiss in their duty to protect the country had they not sought a FISA warrant and repeated renewals to conduct temporary surveillance of Carter Page, someone the FBI assessed to be an agent of the Russian government."
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Except for the fact that Carter Page's past interactions with the Russians were actually him spying for Uncle Sam, and the fact that in order to get a FISA warrant against a US citizen you have to show probable cause that the person acting as an agent of a foreign government is engaging in criminal activities as part of their service. The FISA court is not allowed to spy on US citizens simply for acting as an agent of a foreign power if that activity is presumably legal, and probable cause is not "well, he could conceivably be up to something suspect".
 
Xarog said:
Except for the fact that Carter Page's past interactions with the Russians were actually him spying for Uncle Sam, and the fact that in order to get a FISA warrant against a US citizen you have to show probable cause that the person acting as an agent of a foreign government is engaging in criminal activities as part of their service. The FISA court is not allowed to spy on US citizens simply for acting as an agent of a foreign power if that activity is presumably legal, and probable cause is not "well, he could conceivably be up to something suspect".
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Did you fall on your head? Is there clear liquid coming out of your ears? Its cerebrospinal fluid and you need to get to an emergency room right now!
 
greg0205 said:
Did you fall on your head? Is there clear liquid coming out of your ears? Its cerebrospinal fluid and you need to get to an emergency room right now!
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If your mockery isn't accompanied with a revelation of where I'm incorrect, I see no reason to take it seriously.
 
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greg0205 said:
Adam Schiff's memo is out... http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/106838/hmtg-115-ig00-20180205-sd002.pdf

Point by point rebuttal of Nunes' fan fiction... Redactions, obviously.
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Yep. Good thread on it here:

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/967524080160329731

1) So the House GOP Intelligence committee has finally released the Democratic memo about Trump’s collusion with Russia, Carter Page, and the Steele (aka Pee Pee) memo. Let’s pull out some of the good stuff.

2) The Dem memo confirms that “the FBI assessed [Trump campaign top foreign policy aide Carter Page] to be an agent of the Russian government.”

That doesn’t sound good.

3) The FBI did not use Steele’s dossier as justification for beginning the Russia probe, which started in July 2016. The FBI didn’t get Steele’s memo until mid-September, 7 weeks AFTER the probe was begun.

4) The initial FISA warrant to spy on Page was granted by a GOP-appointed judge, and then renewed by 3 different judges — four different federal judges in total — all appointed by GOP presidents. They were Republican judges who approved spying on Page.

5) Page had already left the Trump campaign by the time the FBI got the warrant to eavesdrop on him. So there was not tapping of the Trump campaign.

6) The FBI corroborated parts of the Steele dossier, and presented that to the FISA court, but that’s such a secret it got blacked out in the memo. Oh yeah, and the evidence corroborating Steele contradicts what Carter Page told the House Intelligence Committee.

7) As we suspected, the FISA court renewed the wiretap on Carter Page 4 times because it kept yielding useful information. The info was so useful that it got censored from the Democratic memo.

8) Devin Nunes lied. The FBI told the FISA court all about Steele, and that the memo was paid for by people who wanted “to discredit” Trump’s campaign. And DOJ never paid Steele for the dossier — Nunes lied about this.

9) And Nunes lied about the Yahoo news story. Nunes claimed the DOJ used the Yahoo story as proof of the Steele dossier. No. The article was used to quote Page’s denials of secret Moscow meetings, which makes the meetings all the more suspect.

10) And finally, those FBI lovebirds with the texting fetish had zero to do with the FISA warrant. Nunes lied about that too.

11) Some interesting footnotes. First of all, I’m still shocked that the Trump campaign didn’t go the FBI the second they were told the Russians had stolen “thousands” of Hillary’s emails. That’s un-American, un-patriotic behavior.

12) Nor did the Trump campaign go to the FBI a few months later when they saw the news go public that, in fact, Hillary’s emails HAD been stolen, just as the Russians had an intermediary tell Papadopoulos. How do you not THEN call the FBI?

13) Bottom line: Four Republican federal judges found sufficient evidence that former top Trump campaign foreign policy aide Carter Page was acting as a Russian agent, to issue a FISA warrant permitting the FBI to spy on him. And, they received useful info during that spying.

14) And for some reason, Devin Nunes and Donald Trump and Paul Ryan don’t want you to know that one of Trump’s former top foreign policy aides was credibly suspected of working for the Russians. You do the math.
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Doesn't look like the Schiff memo debunks the fact that FISA abuses do happen.
 
Techne said:
Doesn't look like the Schiff memo debunks the fact that FISA abuses do happen.
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Of course they do but Republicans are going to have to live with that seeing as they voted for it. Funny how that works :crylaugh: .
 
Unhappy438 said:
Of course they do but Republicans are going to have to live with that seeing as they voted for it. Funny how that works :crylaugh: .
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Nunes says otherwise.

[video=youtube;A8Y3Ygu2tF8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A8Y3Ygu2tF8[/video]
And gosh darn it if he doesn't sound like he actually means it.
 
greg0205 said:
I liked this:

"In fact, the FBI interviewed Page in March 2016 about his contact with Russian intelligence, the very month candidate Donald Trump named him a foreign policy advisor"

I also liked:

"In fact, DOJ and the FBI would have been remiss in their duty to protect the country had they not sought a FISA warrant and repeated renewals to conduct temporary surveillance of Carter Page, someone the FBI assessed to be an agent of the Russian government."
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Lol. When someone starts a sentence by first reminding you that it is a fact, they are probably BSing.

In fact, I can say for certain, it is all nonsense without even reading it.
 
Maybe Nunes shouldn't have authored a reauthorisation bill that changed absolutely nothing about the process and voted against amendments that would have strengthened privacy protections as proposed by a group of Democrats and some Republicans...
 
rietrot said:
Lol. When someone starts a sentence by first reminding you that it is a fact, they are probably BSing.

In fact, I can say for certain, it is all nonsense without even reading it.
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Naturally. Why let anything disturb your bubble, right?


Anyway, for folk not actively trying to stunt their growth, here's Seth Abramson's detailed twitter thread on the Dem memo.

http://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/967515588913491968
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Maybe Nunes shouldn't have authored a reauthorisation bill that changed absolutely nothing about the process and voted against amendments that would have strengthened privacy protections as proposed by a group of Democrats and some Republicans...
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Unless you can explain how the amendments would have done anything here, your comment is a stupid one.
 
Xarog said:
:erm:

You seriously think his arguments are credible? Please tell me you're trolling.
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Oh, I really do... The fact that you get hives at the mention of his name is an added bonus and, for me, further evidence that he's right on the money.

Also, don't you have anonymous, incomprehensible 4chan posts to copy/paste in the Covfefe thread and do you even see how that might leave you behind the eight ball in this discussion?
 
greg0205 said:
Oh, I really do... The fact that you get hives at the mention of his name is an added bonus and, for me, further evidence that he's right on the money.

Also, don't you have anonymous, incomprehensible 4chan posts to copy/paste in the Covfefe thread and do you even see how that might leave you behind the eight ball in this discussion?
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I have no idea who the person you linked to is supposed to be, I honestly have no opinion of him one way or another. I am talking about the contents of his claims and the arguments he makes. It's a load of codswallop.
 
Xarog said:
I have no idea who the person you linked to is supposed to be, I honestly have no opinion of him one way or another. I am talking about the contents of his claims and the arguments he makes. It's a load of codswallop.
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But George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are definitley trafficking teenagers for ritual sacrifice and sex, right?

Get.Help.
 
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