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Tman* said:
If I have a penny for everttime some media outlet reported that Trump's impeachment is Imminent...

His "unpopularity" is reported by the same people that said Hillary will win the election. We learn from history, polls mean nothing.
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Polls can mean something if they do it right. The problem is the polls actually showed Trump has a chance and they didn't like that so the methodology was changed to make Hillary win.
 
Randhir said:
Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B

The group that spawned the Tea Party don't seem to care much when it isn't a black guy/Democrat in charge.

Weird hey. Party of fiscal responsibility. Ya.
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Well priorities matter. The tea party doesn't really stand for what they say they do since Paul Ryan got involved there, it's just a political tool of convience.
I'm sure though many Republicans and people on the right would like to see a balanced budget. But with the current attacks on democracy they are left with very little choice except to all get behind Trump.
 
Randhir said:
Here comes the 'lefty liberal' to defend Trump as usual :ROFL:
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Who here has ever claimed to be a lefty liberal? Only Xarog comes to mind :unsure:

Curious definition of "defend Trump" when one groups him in with countless prior presidents who made the same mistakes as him. Somehow that's a defence?!?
 
rietrot said:
Polls can mean something if they do it right. The problem is the polls actually showed Trump has a chance and they didn't like that so the methodology was changed to make Hillary win.
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That's not altogether wrong, but it's more like the polls accurately showed that Trump had a small (~20%) chance of winning, so the pollsters hung their hats on the odds. Trump's win was extraordinarily narrow and based on the peculiarities of the electoral college system, whereas a solid majority of actual voters did vote for HRC.

The one thing Trump has done very well in his presidency is to shore up his constituency. They have remained loyal to a very high degree, and it does give Trump a fair chance of holding onto the vote in 2020. On the other hand, he's managed to alienate just about every other category of voter and he's so aggressively partisan that it's hard to see any way for him to win them back.
 
Randhir said:
Federal deficit soars 32 percent to $895B

The group that spawned the Tea Party don't seem to care much when it isn't a black guy/Democrat in charge.
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I hand the mic to Rand Paul:

I left them this last salvo to ponder: “If the GOP insists on exceeding the budget caps by over R1 526 billion in new military spending, it is hard to argue that the Republican Party really cares about the debt.” They didn’t look eager to continue the conversation — their only response was to amiably smile and let my volley dangle unanswered.

Minutes later, I ran into a Democrat senator in leadership. I continued my previous conversation about debt with him. “I hope your caucus will unite in opposing the GOP push to bust the budget caps on military spending.” He slyly grinned and responded, “We’re kind of in the opposite place as you are. We are fine with busting the caps on military spending as long as we get our share of domestic spending.”
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sen-rand-paul-the-debt-and-the-decline-of-empire

When I forced a vote recently on obeying the "pay as you go" rule, no Democrats, and only seven Republicans, joined me. Less than 10 percent of the Senate appears to actually care about the debt.
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I will take 7 people caring about the debt more than 0.
 
Unhappy438 said:
I agree, although you gotta cut spending before you cut taxes.
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No other way around as the economy is heavily dependant on government spending, you first cut taxes to grow and then cut spending as the private sector growth kicks in to cushion the spending cuts.
Cutting spending first and sitting with high taxes and less spending can have more of a negative affect.
 
Unhappy438 said:
I agree, although you gotta cut spending before you cut taxes.
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I agree as well.
The problem is you have to spend significantly more political capital to cut taxes than to cut spending.

Imagine the US government is a spoiled child who throws its toys out every time it doesn't get what it wants.
How to you stop the child from engaging in this behavior? Do you stop buying giving it money to buy sweets or do you ask it not to spend the money you give it on sweets.

Tax cuts eventually force the issue with much lower effort than trying to get people to behave.
 
konfab said:
I agree as well.
The problem is you have to spend significantly more political capital to cut taxes than to cut spending.

Imagine the US government is a spoiled child who throws its toys out every time it doesn't get what it wants.
How to you stop the child from engaging in this behavior? Do you stop buying giving it money to buy sweets or do you ask it not to spend the money you give it on sweets.

Tax cuts eventually force the issue with much lower effort than trying to get people to behave.
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That is not how tax cuts are used in the US political system, and you know it. Ayn Rand Paul might pay lip service to fiscal conservatism, but tax cuts are invariably a sweetheart gift to attract a certain constituency, and you can know exactly whose wheels are being greased by who benefits from the cuts.
 
cerebus said:
That is not how tax cuts are used in the US political system, and you know it. Ayn Rand Paul might pay lip service to fiscal conservatism, but tax cuts are invariably a sweetheart gift to attract a certain constituency, and you can know exactly whose wheels are being greased by who benefits from the cuts.
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The average person on the street with a 401k. That's who benefitted from the tax cuts and the stock buy backs that happened as a result.
 
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