US politics general thread

[Xarog]

Let me tell you what I find amusing... Y'all spent a year in the election thread, and going on a year and a half in the Trump threads, gleefully skipping and dancing to your own, "Trump is the disruptor Washington and the MSM need" tune... Yet here we are, with *actual* disruption from these teens, and your tribe has come out in a rash and run straight home to "fake news", "staged managed" and "nazi salute" to hide out, lay low and throw stones.

I get the irony will be completely lost on you, but for the rest of us its delicious.

Trump is the disruption. The made-for-tv drama that is #MarchForOurLives is the deep state carrying on with its agenda of disarming the populace. People who think it's a disruption are being duped.

 

[Xarog]

Do you think 'children' who narrowly escaped death by a fellow 'child' with a gun may genuinely think gun control is a good idea? Do you think guns should be kept out of the hands of 'children'? Do you honestly think these 'children' do not have their own opinions and principles? Do you really think these teenagers are just gullible children, easy to manipulate because they aren't yet capable of forming their own opinions?

I think that if you want to talk about this being a movement by children who narrowly escaped death that you have to include the children from the other side of the issue as well. Otherwise you're being disingenuous.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...amily-members-snubbed-at-march-for-our-lives/

 

[greg0205]

Trump is the disruption. The made-for-tv drama that is #MarchForOurLives is the deep state carrying on with its agenda of disarming the populace. People who think it's a disruption are being duped.

Square peg, round hole... good dog.

 

[Xarog]

Square peg, round hole... good dog.

Explain to me why the only thing that is being focused on is gun control, despite the multitude of other failings that happened that led up to this tragedy.

Explain to me why the students who are actually pro-gun have been completely excluded from the conversation when they're the perfect candidates to bring up alternative perspectives.

Of course, you can't, so instead you'll resort to insults.

 

[vigras rojara]

All these experts on US politics. Does anyone even read this crap anymore?

 

[greg0205]

Explain to me why the only thing that is being focused on is gun control, despite the multitude of other failings that happened that led up to this tragedy.

Explain to me why the students who are actually pro-gun have been completely excluded from the conversation when they're the perfect candidates to bring up alternative perspectives.

Of course, you can't, so instead you'll resort to insults.

When are the pro-gun students marching? Honestly, the only folk I've seen kicking and screaming are the NRA and their toadies so I'd really like to watch that.

As for your "multitude of other failings " pettifogging, the overriding cause for the shooting/s *is* a lack of sensible gun control. Argue any way you like, but if you're not honest enough to start from that point, you're dissembling and any debate would be unproductive and meaningless.

 

[Xarog]

When are the pro-gun students marching?

Never, because they were excluded from the march and thus were "deplatformed", so to speak.

As for your "multitude of other failings " pettifogging, the overriding cause for the shooting/s *is* a lack of sensible gun control. Argue any way you like, but if you're not honest enough to start from that point, you're dissembling and any debate would be unproductive and meaningless.

Sensible gun control means doing away with gun free zones and making sure that people with mental issues don't get guns and the feds actually intervene when people report disturbing behaviour.

It also means making sure that there aren't counter-productive law enforcement policies in place that perversely incentivise the police to not report crime.

The fact of the matter is that rifles are responsible for a tiny fraction of all gun related deaths. So if you're worried about murder rates, you need to look at handgun ownership. Banning handgun ownership is not a sensible gun control policy.

But this all great made-for-tv docudrama nonsense for the Dem 2018 midterm election platform.

 

[greg0205]

Never, because they were excluded from the march and thus were "deplatformed", so to speak.


Sensible gun control means doing away with gun free zones and making sure that people with mental issues don't get guns and the feds actually intervene when people report disturbing behaviour.

It also means making sure that there aren't counter-productive law enforcement policies in place that perversely incentivise the police to not report crime.

The fact of the matter is that rifles are responsible for a tiny fraction of all gun related deaths. So if you're worried about murder rates, you need to look at handgun ownership. Banning handgun ownership is not a sensible gun control policy.

But this all great made-for-tv docudrama nonsense for the Dem 2018 midterm election platform.

And yet, for the first time in ages, lawmakers are budging on the issue. Go figure.

 

[Xarog]

And yet, for the first time in ages, lawmakers are budging on the issue. Go figure.

Awww, wookit da cute widdle twoll shift the goalposts. :crylaugh:

 

[greg0205]

Awww, wookit da cute widdle twoll shift the goalposts. :crylaugh:

You said "made-for-tv docudrama nonsense for the Dem 2018 midterm election platform" and I pointed out a demonstrable fact directly attributable to the March For Our Lives kids.

Moving goalposts? Nope. That's almost exclusively your shtick, but whatever...

 

[Xarog]

You said "made-for-tv docudrama nonsense for the Dem 2018 midterm election platform" and I pointed out a demonstrable fact directly attributable to the March For Our Lives kids.

Moving goalposts? Nope. That's almost exclusively your shtick, but whatever...

Does your "demonstrable fact" in any way detract from my point? Nope. It's still a made-for-tv docudrama.

And frankly IBIWISI with respect to lawmakers "budging" on the issue in a substantial way. Aside from the Dems trying to convince people to do away with the 2nd amendment, of course.

 

[greg0205]

Does your "demonstrable fact" in any way detract from my point? Nope. It's still a made-for-tv docudrama.

And frankly IBIWISI with respect to lawmakers "budging" on the issue in a substantial way. Aside from the Dems trying to convince people to do away with the 2nd amendment, of course.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/gun-control-laws.html

 

[Xarog]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/gun-control-laws.html

Yes, big talk. What's your point?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

[video=youtube_share;hWLjYJ4BzvI]https://youtu.be/hWLjYJ4BzvI[/video]

The right-wing takeover of local media is a hell of a thing, huh?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

When are the pro-gun students marching? Honestly, the only folk I've seen kicking and screaming are the NRA and their toadies so I'd really like to watch that.

As for your "multitude of other failings " pettifogging, the overriding cause for the shooting/s *is* a lack of sensible gun control. Argue any way you like, but if you're not honest enough to start from that point, you're dissembling and any debate would be unproductive and meaningless.

These folks are downright schit-scared of teenagers. It's funny, and also kind of inspiring.

 

[Xarog]

The [-]right-wing[/-] deep state takeover of local media is a hell of a thing, huh?

FTFY.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

FTFY.

That's a crock of shyte, sorry. Sinclair is an explicitly right wing broadcaster who have been pumping out pro-Trump propaganda for a long time.

All of the crap you accuse the 'MSM' of, Sinclair is triply guilty of.

This is Sinclair, 'the most dangerous US company you've never heard of'

This is Sinclair, 'the most dangerous US company you've never heard of'
Sinclair is the largest broadcast company in America. But its partisan politics – and connections to the White House – are raising concerns.

..

Another cause for concern, and increased scrutiny, is what’s seen as the company’s pronounced political agenda. Sinclair forces its local stations to run pro-Trump “news” segments. In April, they hired Boris Epshteyn, a former Trump campaign spokesman and member of the White House press office, as its chief political analyst. His “must-run” 10-minute political commentary segments unsurprisingly hewed closely to the Trump administration’s message.

Kushner: We struck deal with Sinclair for straighter coverage

Donald Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair Broadcast Group during the campaign to try and secure better media coverage, his son-in-law Jared Kushner told business executives Friday in Manhattan.

Kushner said the agreement with Sinclair, which owns television stations across the country in many swing states and often packages news for their affiliates to run, gave them more access to Trump and the campaign, according to six people who heard his remarks.

In exchange, Sinclair would broadcast their Trump interviews across the country without commentary, Kushner said. Kushner highlighted that Sinclair, in states like Ohio, reaches a much wider audience — around 250,000 listeners — than networks like CNN, which reach somewhere around 30,000.

 

[Unhappy438]

That's a crock of shyte, sorry. Sinclair is an explicitly right wing broadcaster who have been pumping out pro-Trump propaganda for a long time.

The white house is the deep state.

 

[Xarog]

That's a crock of shyte, sorry. Sinclair is an explicitly right wing broadcaster who have been pumping out pro-Trump propaganda for a long time.

You know it's possible for people to have more than one client, right? Do you think the deep state is only interested in capturing left-wing audiences?

All of the crap you accuse the 'MSM' of, Sinclair is triply guilty of.

How nice of you to finally acknowledge what a crock of shyte the MSM is.

This is Sinclair, 'the most dangerous US company you've never heard of'

Kushner: We struck deal with Sinclair for straighter coverage

Ok, so Trump is fighting fire with fire, what's your point? Do you think that Sinclair has to conspicuously refuse to work with Trump before their platform could be used by the deep state? Did Trump buy all the airtime?

 

[Xarog]

https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Direc...rything-the-American-public-believes-is-false

Did CIA Director William Casey really say, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"?

I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration.
The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the 'intelligence' that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.
As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which
he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting
as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger bshonegg@gmail.com

The CIA has long played the international game of propaganda required by an intelligence agency, but during the Cold War, the Agency paid and intimidated journalists into helping promote its messages. Famous Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein broke the story in 1977 for Rolling Stone. Bernstein revealed the workings of Operation Mockingbird, in which many journalists – included Pulitzer Prize winners – joined the CIA’s payroll, writing fake stories to disseminate the agency’s agitprop and providing intelligence. Other journalists were threatened and blackmailed into cooperating with Mockingbird, and many were given falsified or fabricated information about their actions in order to engender their support for the CIA’s mission. The program has never been officially discontinued.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-cia-paid-and-threatened-journalists-to-do-its-work

[video=youtube;BG0a04PX-zY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG0a04PX-zY[/video]

I'm sure the CIA just decided to pack it in of their own accord, right? No way an "ex" CIA agent is putting on the waterworks to push an agenda, right?