US Politics : Open Borders (a continuation)

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quovadis said:
I'm pretty sure plenty of decisions regarding movement etc were an overreaction to unknowns at the time butI'm sure people generally don't congregate on pavements as they would on the sand? Also, less people on the pavement if the beach itself wasn't an attraction? Avoiding large amounts of people mingling was pointless to you?
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If they are outside the risk of transmission is absolutely miniscule. UV light from the sun and the simple dilution effect of fresh air drops the probability of infection dramatically. All that happened by restricting people to the pavements is everyone ended up being even closer together because a 3m wide pavement is much smaller than a 50m wide beach.

Not to mention that there are rewards that go along with risk. People getting out and walking around is exceptionally good for them.
 
konfab said:
If they are outside the risk of transmission is absolutely miniscule.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Are you forgetting how countries were spraying their streets with chemicals etc?

konfab said:
UV light from the sun and the simple dilution effect of fresh air drops the probability of infection dramatically. All that happened by restricting people to the pavements is everyone ended up being even closer together because a 3m wide pavement is much smaller than a 50m wide beach.
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UV light from the sun? Come now, the intensity of UV sterilisers are far more intense in the medical field or even fishponds than the sun. The point you're missing is people shouldn't be congregating.
 
King Sollie Solomon said:
And the short sleeve t-shirts? Open toe shoes?
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It is well known that people wear short sleeve shirts when they are hot. Ie, they have a temperature. Ie. they have the rona. Due to this increased temperature, they are also more than likely to wear open toed shoes to get rid of the excess heat(and yes, standing in water in their open toed shoes, like the ocean. Cutting off the supply of these items resulted in people with the rona staying at home.
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konfab said:
Because you are defending it. There should have never been an overreaction by "experts" if they knew what they were doing.
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Sure guy. I'm defending something I said was probably an overreaction. Being overly cautious is not a bad approach. I think you're rather optimistic to think that the world consists of experts that know everything about new viruses.
 
Temujin said:
It is well known that people wear short sleeve shirts when they are hot. Ie, they have a temperature. Ie. they have the rona. Due to this increased temperature, they are also more than likely to wear open toed shoes to get rid of the excess heat(and yes, standing in water in their open toed shoes, like the ocean. Cutting off the supply of these items resulted in people with the rona staying at home.
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Nah, they learnt the sun has a corona ... :sneaky:
 
quovadis said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Are you forgetting how countries were spraying their streets with chemicals etc?
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All this was known well before the coof.

Quovadis said:
UV light from the sun? Come now, the intensity of UV sterilisers are far more intense in the medical field or even fishponds than the sun.
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Dosage is also dependant on time exposure. Which would happen continuously to any aerosol particle outside:

Aerosols represent a potential transmission route of COVID-19. This study examined effect of simulated sunlight, relative humidity, and suspension matrix on stability of SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols. Simulated sunlight and matrix significantly affected decay rate of the virus. Relative humidity alone did not affect the decay rate; however, minor interactions between relative humidity and other factors were observed. Mean decay rates (± SD) in simulated saliva, under simulated sunlight levels representative of late winter/early fall and summer were 0.121 ± 0.017 min-1 (90% loss, 19 minutes) and 0.306 ± 0.097 min-1 (90% loss, 8 minutes), respectively. Mean decay rate without simulated sunlight across all relative humidity levels was 0.008 ± 0.011 min-1 (90% loss, 286 minutes). These results suggest that the potential for aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2 may be dependent on environmental conditions, particularly sunlight. These data may be useful to inform mitigation strategies to minimize the potential for aerosol transmission.
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pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Airborne SARS-CoV-2 Is Rapidly Inactivated by Simulated Sunlight - PubMed

Aerosols represent a potential transmission route of COVID-19. This study examined effect of simulated sunlight, relative humidity, and suspension matrix on stability of SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols. Simulated sunlight and matrix significantly affected decay rate of the virus. Relative humidity alone...
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Add that to the dilution effect and you basically don't get the issue.

Quovadis said:
The point you're missing is people shouldn't be congregating.
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Except in:
Shops
Restaurants
BLM protests
 
RanzB said:
Sorry, I know conservatard comprehension is bad, but you might want to have a look at who brought up the NHI or that Guardian article.

Hint: it wasn't Cray or me.
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Jissus, you just proved again peanut butter is not a good substitute for brains.

Interesting... millions of people around the world, some still living, many dead, disagree... eg.
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Context matters.
 
konfab said:
All this was known well before the coof.
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Sure everyone knew everything and everything was certain and that's why there was so much disagreement because everything was certain.
konfab said:
Dosage is also dependant on time exposure. Which would happen continuously to any aerosol particle outside:
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UVC doesn't penetrate the atmosphere. You're talking about something completely different and conflating quite a bit.
konfab said:
Add that to the dilution effect and you basically don't get the issue.
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Youre not considering non-aerosol transfer.
konfab said:
Except in:
Shops
Restaurants
BLM protests
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Not those either.
 
RanzB said:
Didn't see either of them incite an insurrection but of course that's just 1776 to Conservatards
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So basically unless it's an insurrection attempt, you should just disregard election laws entirely? :ROFL:
 
konfab said:
All this was known well before the coof.


Dosage is also dependant on time exposure. Which would happen continuously to any aerosol particle outside:



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Airborne SARS-CoV-2 Is Rapidly Inactivated by Simulated Sunlight - PubMed

Aerosols represent a potential transmission route of COVID-19. This study examined effect of simulated sunlight, relative humidity, and suspension matrix on stability of SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols. Simulated sunlight and matrix significantly affected decay rate of the virus. Relative humidity alone...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Add that to the dilution effect and you basically don't get the issue.


Except in:
Shops
Restaurants
BLM protests
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I'm old enough to remember when they declared funerals, church gatherings and trump campaigns mass spreader events while in the same breathe declaring blm protests safe :ROFL:
 
Temujin said:
I'm old enough to remember when they declared funerals, church gatherings and trump campaigns mass spreader events while in the same breathe declaring blm protests safe :ROFL:
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I'm pretty sure any protest action by anyone in close proximity would've resulted in some transfer. The difference here is noone is going to go "Hey doc, I was protesting/rioting and that's where I got it" whereas they are more likely to admit to it if hey, I attended that funeral and a bunch of people who also attended that funeral also got covid.
 
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