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MS-DOS and Windows 3.11 still run train dashboards at German railway — company listed admin job for 30-year-old operating system - Tom's Hardware​

Many with the requisite experience might already have retired.

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A German railway firm posted a vacancy for a Windows 3.11 Administrator just before the weekend. In addition to skills in wrangling Windows for Workgroups on the 30-year-old operating system, the recruiter would look upon a candidate more fondly for possessing MS-DOS experience.

The admin would purportedly oversee systems with 166MHz processors and a whopping 8MB of RAM. It might seem slightly worrying that modern railways are still running on such ancient systems, but mission-critical systems often adhere to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy.

Silicon lover Konkretor highlighted the above vacancy on Twitter / X and explained that the hiring company was responsible for "railway display boards for almost all of Germany." These systems obviously rely in some part on old MS-DOS and Windows 3.11 applications.

The job listing, which we saw yesterday, seems to have been taken down today. It mentions that the appointee will maintain and update the old systems that are still pivotal to railway operations. In further detail, we learn that this software is responsible for "the driver's cab display system on high-speed and regional trains [which] shows the driver the most important technical data in real-time."

Seeing such old legacy OSes being relied upon for delivering important real-time data is somewhat worrying, but it isn't uncommon to find old mission-critical systems run by old software. Additionally, the display might only provide data for information, not critical safety systems.

Windows 3.1X was notable for being the first version of Microsoft’s GUI-based operating system with integrated networking and introduced a 386-protected mode networking stack. Microsoft launched this network-friendly OS back in 1992 and ended support for it on December 31, 2001. Did the German rail company miss the memo?

According to some chit-chat on the Hacker News forum, the above-mentioned legacy system is currently in use on Germany’s ICE 1 and ICE 2 trains. If true, the software that's reliant on MS-DOS and Win 3.11 might be required until 2030 or later.

Another interesting titbit was the assertion that one of the railway systems running Win 3.11 has a BIOS dating from 1996 and features a 166MHz processor plus 8MB of RAM.

Ancient hardware and software keep turning up in the most unexpected places. Only yesterday, we reported on Japan’s mandarins finally being weaned off their addiction to floppy disks. Meanwhile, enthusiasts still purchase computers based around Intel’s ancient 8088 CPU and dabble in overclocking ISA bus graphics cards.

 
Found my 25 year old stash....

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Found my valid Windows 98 SE license, just no original disc.

And check this beast out...

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Problem is... no PS2 keyboard.

1 Step closer to finding KGame (Klaus game).
 
Found my 25 year old stash....

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Found my valid Windows 98 SE license, just no original disc.

And check this beast out...

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Problem is... no PS2 keyboard.

1 Step closer to finding KGame (Klaus game).
i dont miss that era too much to be honest with you

As for Windows... you could in the meantime get a ISO and hunt one down on ebay i reckon.

PS2 wise
https://www.techguysa.co.za/products/microworld-ps2-to-usb-adapter/ <-- could use that
 
problem is technology moves so fast that what once cost so much, today is worth peanuts,

with things becoming more cloud and internet based we might run into an issue where the data is stored on some cloud database, but the converters and programs needed to use it are long gone,

essentially a digital version of a hardware problem.
 
with things becoming more cloud and internet based we might run into an issue where the data is stored on some cloud database, but the converters and programs needed to use it are long gone,

essentially a digital version of a hardware problem.

Nvidia recently dropped 32-bit PhysX now some older games run like absolute dogshite on the latest gpus being beaten 10yr old midrange cards.
 
i dont miss that era too much to be honest with you

As for Windows... you could in the meantime get a ISO and hunt one down on ebay i reckon.

PS2 wise
https://www.techguysa.co.za/products/microworld-ps2-to-usb-adapter/ <-- could use that
Thanks but as soon as I plug in a Microsoft or unknown adapter, the laptop freezes at BIOS startup. Seems it does not like USB inputs.

I have full access to Microsoft library of ISOs as a MS partner, just hoping to get a working original disc for my collection.
For my collection, I am hoping to get this up and running again:

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Thanks but as soon as I plug in a Microsoft or unknown adapter, the laptop freezes at BIOS startup. Seems it does not like USB inputs.

I have full access to Microsoft library of ISOs as a MS partner, just hoping to get a working original disc for my collection.
For my collection, I am hoping to get this up and running again:

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nice

might be a driver which good luck on that

mm pS2 keyboards might have to look on market places etc assuming it doesnt like the signals sent via USB
 
nice

might be a driver which good luck on that

mm pS2 keyboards might have to look on market places etc assuming it doesnt like the signals sent via USB
Turns out all adapters for PS2 to USB hangs the laptop.

Got the keyboard, HDD issue now. You have to specify the correct Heads,Sectors,Cylinders for the system to use it.
Also ribbon cable faulty.

So for now, my recovery of the 386SX has halted.

Checking BoB each day for Windows 98 SE however still ongoing
 
I have an Intel AL440LX (Atlanta) motherboard with 192Mb RAM and a 266MHz Intel 2 CPU.

However, I need a PCI video card.

Do anybody have a working PCI video card for this motherboard?

I will appreciate it if you do, we can arrange something.

Thank you.

Target environment will be plain DOS (FreeDOS) with a couple of DOS-based wordprocessors, games and windows 3.1.

Just for old times' sake.
 
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Turns out all adapters for PS2 to USB hangs the laptop.

Got the keyboard, HDD issue now. You have to specify the correct Heads,Sectors,Cylinders for the system to use it.
Also ribbon cable faulty.

So for now, my recovery of the 386SX has halted.

Checking BoB each day for Windows 98 SE however still ongoing

Of any use?

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