Violence in Lenasia

[Mila]

http://www.everyrandcounts.org/everyrandlost.htm

Show them that. And then let them burn the guilty people's homes.

And then on the other had. Many squatters do have homes ( or did) They either sold it or its not where they want to live anymore so they squat closer to work. See the hawkers look with in 500m radius and you will find a squatter camp.

Remember last year when the load of squatters were removed from PTA The Municipal representative said that most of them had houses. ( will try to find the article. )

I’m also angry. The people that has not received a house yet should have had one long ago. Selling your house or leaving your and squatting. That receives no sympathy from me.

Is there any possible way for the general public to build houses for these people then claim it from SARS?

 

[Geriatrix]

Firstly, punish those who think they can act on their anger without repercussions.

The masses need education and, deeper than that, they need to want to be educated. I've seen too many young black students thowing away the opportunities they get.

Yes of course, punish those that break the law and threatens lives but nightjars post was ignorant. The students and their apathy is for another topic.
I'm just talking about basic services here like being able to use a toilet and switch on a light. Imagine not having those, not having a wind and water proof place to sleep. Imagine seeing people everyday who drive around in R300k cars. I understand your POV and I'm glad you got your family away but I do understand their anger too.

http://www.everyrandcounts.org/everyrandlost.htm

Show them that. And then let them burn the guilty people's homes.

And then on the other had. Many squatters do have homes ( or did) They either sold it or its not where they want to live anymore so they squat closer to work. See the hawkers look with in 500m radius and you will find a squatter camp.

Remember last year when the load of squatters were removed from PTA The Municipal representative said that most of them had houses. ( will try to find the article. )

I’m also angry. The people that has not received a house yet should have had one long ago. Selling your house or leaving your and squatting. That receives no sympathy from me.

Is there any possible way for the general public to build houses for these people then claim it from SARS?

This is up to the government to deal with. Will they? Of course not.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

That's very cute but these are thousands of people who make almost no money, have no hope in hell to better themselves and they constantly see other people drive around in expensive cars and live in actual houses. They where promised that they'll have basic services too when the ANC took over but of course the ANC just stole tax money and sold tenders. And now they're angry and they'll start acting on that anger. How do we solve it?

We don't. It's up to them to solve it. They got exactly what they voted for, and if they want change then they need to change their vote. It's just daft to vote for the ANC every time, and then create havoc and intimidate innocent people when they don't deliver.

As a result I feel absolutely zero sympathy when they feel sad at others who are driving around in R300k cars while they're making do with leaking roofs. It's not like the people who drive those cars didn't seize the opportunity to study and work towards it.

 

[Geriatrix]

We don't. It's up to them to solve it. They got exactly what they voted for, and if they want change then they need to change their vote. It's just daft to vote for the ANC every time, and then create havoc and intimidate innocent people when they don't deliver.

As a result I feel absolutely zero sympathy when they feel sad at others who are driving around in R300k cars while they're making do with leaking roofs. It's not like the people who drive those cars didn't seize the opportunity to study and work towards it.

Ok go tell them that then.

 

[Sly21C]

You know all of you lot that are saying violent protesters must be thrown in jail without understanding why they are violent are not going to address problems. People will always perceive the DA as a white party, like it or not. People will always perceive the ANC as a party that liberated them and gave them freedom, like it or not. The problem with the DA and DA supporters is that they are visible at newspapers, TV and in suburban areas. The DA and its supporters have this mentality that poor blacks are lazy, ignorant and violent. That may be true in some cases but will not solve anything.

What white business and well off people are doing wrong is that they ignore people living in squatter camps. You must remember that poor people make up the majority, so if South Africans (both black and white, mostly white) keep on ignoring the majority and simply dismissing them then anger among the majority will keep on growing. Then a person like Malema will use that anger of the majority to enrich himself and therefore destroy this country. We as South Africans must be proactive and try help people at disadvantage communities by giving them bursaries or scholarships or motivate them so as to take away a dangerous weapon (poor people anger) from the likes of Malema. Maybe a culture of going to townships on weekends to motivate young kids won't hurt?

We must remember that this is Africa, this is South Africa, a country whereby the poor makeup the majority. So if we are to ensure stability in this country we must start thinking out of the box. This is not Europe whereby you shouldn't worry about the poor. The poor hear not only need basic services, they also need knowledge, information and some motivation so they can escape poverty. Even if the municipalities (ANC led or DA led) do their job to provide services, it will do little to help stabilize this country from future angry mobs.
We have 3 choices, it’s either we carry on with the status quo of always criticizing the ANC while we do nothing except ignore the poor or wish them away which will one day lead to all the poor invading you in your homes like what happened in Zim, we start helping the poor, the government and therefore SA by doing what we can to help (talking to a carguard and offering him advice won’t hurt?), or we go to Australia, America or Europe so as we don’t have to deal with the poor ever again.

 

[Elimentals]

Children shouldn't be allowed to protest along with the adults, if so the community should be responsible for anything that happens to the children.

+1 WTF is a child doing in a protest that turns violent anyway?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Ok go tell them that then.

We know what the outcome of that will be. Tomorrow's headline will read "Mike Hoxbig found trampled to death after being stoned".

As I said, I'd like to sympathise with them, but they need to make things happen for themselves as well. They don't have to vote for the DA, just anybody other than the ANC.

 

[Mila]

+1 WTF is a child doing in a protest that turns violent anyway?

The protest was at a school.

 

[Geriatrix]

+1 WTF is a child doing in a protest that turns violent anyway?

There aren't, like designated protest areas. This is happening in the hoods, yo.

You know all of you lot that are saying violent protesters must be thrown in jail without understanding why they are violent are not going to address problems. People will always perceive the DA as a white party, like it or not. People will always perceive the ANC as a party that liberated them and gave them freedom, like it or not. The problem with the DA and DA supporters is that they are visible at newspapers, TV and in suburban areas. The DA and its supporters have this mentality that poor blacks are lazy, ignorant and violent. That may be true in some cases but will not solve anything.

What white business and well off people are doing wrong is that they ignore people living in squatter camps. You must remember that poor people make up the majority, so if South Africans (both black and white, mostly white) keep on ignoring the majority and simply dismissing them then anger among the majority will keep on growing. Then a person like Malema will use that anger of the majority to enrich himself and therefore destroy this country. We as South Africans must be proactive and try help people at disadvantage communities by giving them bursaries or scholarships or motivate them so as to take away a dangerous weapon (poor people anger) from the likes of Malema. Maybe a culture of going to townships on weekends to motivate young kids won't hurt?

We must remember that this is Africa, this is South Africa, a country whereby the poor makeup the majority. So if we are to ensure stability in this country we must start thinking out of the box. This is not Europe whereby you shouldn't worry about the poor. The poor hear not only need basic services, they also need knowledge, information and some motivation so they can escape poverty. Even if the municipalities (ANC led or DA led) do their job to provide services, it will do little to help stabilize this country from future angry mobs.
We have 3 choices, it’s either we carry on with the status quo of always criticizing the ANC while we do nothing except ignore the poor or wish them away which will one day lead to all the poor invading you in your homes like what happened in Zim, we start helping the poor, the government and therefore SA by doing what we can to help (talking to a carguard and offering him advice won’t hurt?), or we go to Australia, America or Europe so as we don’t have to deal with the poor ever again.

And here we have the inconvenient truth.
+1

We know what the outcome of that will be. Tomorrow's headline will read "Mike Hoxbig found trampled to death after being stoned".

As I said, I'd like to sympathise with them, but they need to make things happen for themselves as well. They don't have to vote for the DA, just anybody other than the ANC.

I'm not suggesting you sympathise, I'm suggesting you understand. Maybe you should let the DA know to capitalize on this opportunity and go attempt to get some of their needs met. DA branded toilets, DA sponsored electrical services, stuff like that.

 

[Elimentals]

The protest was at a school.

The crowd did not go violent within a minute and then the police started shooting. If the kids where not held hostage there is no reason for them to be there. Think about it, if a parent goes and chuck stones and people with a kid by his side instead of removing the kids from the area they are not responsible parents, doesn't matter where it was held.

 

[(@) (@) twister]

You know all of you lot that are saying violent protesters must be thrown in jail without understanding why they are violent are not going to address problems. People will always perceive the DA as a white party, like it or not. People will always perceive the ANC as a party that liberated them and gave them freedom, like it or not. The problem with the DA and DA supporters is that they are visible at newspapers, TV and in suburban areas. The DA and its supporters have this mentality that poor blacks are lazy, ignorant and violent. That may be true in some cases but will not solve anything.

What white business and well off people are doing wrong is that they ignore people living in squatter camps. You must remember that poor people make up the majority, so if South Africans (both black and white, mostly white) keep on ignoring the majority and simply dismissing them then anger among the majority will keep on growing. Then a person like Malema will use that anger of the majority to enrich himself and therefore destroy this country. We as South Africans must be proactive and try help people at disadvantage communities by giving them bursaries or scholarships or motivate them so as to take away a dangerous weapon (poor people anger) from the likes of Malema. Maybe a culture of going to townships on weekends to motivate young kids won't hurt?

We must remember that this is Africa, this is South Africa, a country whereby the poor makeup the majority. So if we are to ensure stability in this country we must start thinking out of the box. This is not Europe whereby you shouldn't worry about the poor. The poor hear not only need basic services, they also need knowledge, information and some motivation so they can escape poverty. Even if the municipalities (ANC led or DA led) do their job to provide services, it will do little to help stabilize this country from future angry mobs.
We have 3 choices, it’s either we carry on with the status quo of always criticizing the ANC while we do nothing except ignore the poor or wish them away which will one day lead to all the poor invading you in your homes like what happened in Zim, we start helping the poor, the government and therefore SA by doing what we can to help (talking to a carguard and offering him advice won’t hurt?), or we go to Australia, America or Europe so as we don’t have to deal with the poor ever again.

Sorry I fail to see where you mention that there are any responsibilty whatsoever on poor people and what they need to do.
How about not breeding like rabbits when you cannot afford to, how about not braking stuff but rather build stuff, how about not expecting to get everything for free but actually work to obtain skills.
Only when poor people start acting responsibly - then I'll start giving a f**k

 

[Sly21C]

Sorry I fail to see where you mention that there are any responsibilty whatsoever on poor people and what they need to do.
How about not breeding like rabbits when you cannot afford to, how about not braking stuff but rather build stuff, how about not expecting to get everything for free but actually work to obtain skills.
Only when poor people start acting responsibly - then I'll start giving a f**k

Emotional response which I normally don't pay attention to but you make valid points.

I agree, the poor in this country tent to have a lot of kids they can't afford to take care of and that has an impact on our budget because the number of tax payers isn't increasing compared to the number of grant beneficiaries. I am actually involved in an organization and my core policy I want them to adopt is to make noise regarding poor people having a lot of kids they can't afford to feed. My angle is to say it's child abuse to have kids you can't afford to feed because those kids suffer, and therefore the people responsible for those kids suffering must be arrested.

Usually people will use violence to protest if they want to be on the news or be heard, how many times have you seen a peaceful service delivery protest on TV? Never, because newspapers don't report about boring peaceful protests, that doesn't sell papers, they will report on violent protests so that the public will know their plight. I condone violent protests, but I don't blame them either.

That is where motivation and knowledge comes in, that's where each and every South African comes in. We (the educated) must start tell the poor that the road to driving that car or owning that houses wasn't easy, we worked hard for that. The government must provide basic services but we must do our part and maybe go to township schools and tell those young kids that if they want something, they must work hard at school, get a bursary and then a job and work hard to achieve their dream.

Unfortunately things don't just happen, the poor won't just start giving a f***, they must be told or motivated or given information so that they start giving a f***.

 

[mass09]

Damage of R1.5 million was caused during this week's service delivery protests in Thembelihle, south of Johannesburg, city officials said on Wednesday.

They said protesting residents set fire to three load centres, depriving most of Lenasia Extensions Nine to 11 of power from Monday night to 3am on Wednesday.

This emerged from a joint statement by Roslyn Greef of the mayoral council and City Power acting managing director Sicelo Xulu.

A third of the area was still without power on Wednesday morning, but City Power said all these areas would be reconnected by the end of the day.

Public lighting had been installed in Thembelihle to improve security in the area, but this infrastructure had been damaged by illegal connections. The company would remove the illegal connections, but maintain the public lighting.

"Whilst we remain committed to supplying electricity to all residents of this city, we are however not in the position to do any electricity installations in Thembelihle until the area is officially proclaimed a human settlement," said Greef and Xulu.

City Power had opened a case of damage to property at the Lenasia police station over the fire. It said Thembelihle residents should take responsibility for the public lighting and protect it from those who stole cables and made illegal electricity connections.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2011/09/07/thembelihle-protesters-burn-r1.5m-in-damage

 

[3G4me]

I was watching the enews coverage of the protests, and the number of kids involved astounded me. Kids as young as 10, some even younger, running around hurling rocks along with a few older teenagers.

This doesn't bode well for the future, ours or theirs. What are they learning? That it's ok to go mob everytime you are unhappy? I firmly place the blame for this 11 year old getting injured on the mother. Her kid should have been in school and not rioting with hoodlums that vote the same day in and day out without getting anything back.