VIP unit in scuffle with SABC crew

Sneeky

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Convoys never behaved in this fashion in the old days.
What we are seeing happening in SA now is a deterioration of accountability from those that are entrusted to protect, thus unnesesarily endangering the lives of innocent citizens.
These people are thugs and you would swear the way they are carrying on we were living in Iraq or something.
 

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To the politicians:

Convoys and VIP protection are a disgrace and absolute waste of our money. Why the need for convoys and VIP protection ???

If you were the popular choice, who do you need protection from, hmmm?

If you are headed for a meeting and need to break the speed limit and the rules of the road whilst traveling in your convoy, why could you not (like the rest of us!!) leave your house/office ON TIME??!!
 

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To the politicians:

Convoys and VIP protection are a disgrace and absolute waste of our money. Why the need for convoys and VIP protection ???

If you were the popular choice, who do you need protection from, hmmm?

If you are headed for a meeting and need to break the speed limit and the rules of the road whilst traveling in your convoy, why could you not (like the rest of us!!) leave your house/office ON TIME??!!

Swollen headed Very Important Peanuts - this same mentality can be seen in the movie "The Last King of Scotland".
 

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To the politicians:

Convoys and VIP protection are a disgrace and absolute waste of our money. Why the need for convoys and VIP protection ???

If you were the popular choice, who do you need protection from, hmmm?

If you are headed for a meeting and need to break the speed limit and the rules of the road whilst traveling in your convoy, why could you not (like the rest of us!!) leave your house/office ON TIME??!!
Seriously? Ya kidding right?
 

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Sally De beer along with all police management should be fired with immediate effect. They are all a bunch of corrupt useless idiots who either have no idea what is really going on or just dont care.
 

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Can fully understand their reason for shooting at him, he's lucky to be alive. I reckon this poor bloke thought it was a celebrity convoy and was trying to get a closer look, must've gotten a huge fright :D
 

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What was their reason for shooting at him?

Celebrity's also do convoys in this country?.. Wow... can I have my own Convoy as well?
 

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Well.. the cameras been taken away make sense --- if the faces of certain VIP Protection Officers were on it. Members of VIP Unit and other high risk police divisions may not have their faces published / names printed (security reasons). If one of them was a member of the secret service, its no surprise they took the footage by force! Having his face printed could endanger him and end his career.

"The lead car from the motorcade intercepted the vehicle and a shot was fired. The suspect attempted to flee but was stopped and arrested."

There's quite a large distance between a persons hand and a car tyre lol ...but in all fairness he was probably driving like an azz! If its the President and someone drives that close (within assassination range) ..no surprise he was shot at :D

In all seriousness it is sorta a joke! from that distance someone could fire an RPG right through Kgalema's head so I don't really get the protection part. There really isn't that much protection ..and there should be he's President! Odd! Does make one question the usefulness of the VIP Unit -- perhaps they should go Trump and fly him from point A to B ..lot safer for all of us :)
 
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Seriously? Ya kidding right?


No, I was serious. Since the ANC claims that they have so much of the support, they ought not to be worried about their own safety, since (in their minds) they have the backing of the people.

Anyway, in a country with a crime rate like this, they should AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE give up VIP protection until ALL CITIZENS can sleep safely at night. Why should I live in fear, yet twit number 1 gets protection from bodyguards?????
 

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The victim was released from hospital today and appeared in court on charges of reckless driving. Nothing about DUI.

The victim attorney confirmed a charge of attempted murder was laid against the shooter.
 

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Except of course that PW Botha's escourt was HIGHLY trained and deadly as all hell.. plus of course there was more than definitely covert protection all over the place.
 

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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20090107065340473C839138

Blue light scandal being investigated
By Lee Rondganger

The SA Police Service's VIP Protection Unit is to come under the spotlight during the next few weeks as investigators from the Independent Complaints Directorate begin a full-scale probe into its bullying tactics.

The investigation is the result of yet another scandal involving the unit, which during the past few years has gained a reputation for harassing motorists with their speeding motorcades and blue lights.

Tommy Tshabalala, general manager of investigations at the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD), said the investigation should be complete within a month.

Among the aspects that the ICD would probe is whether the unit complies with the standard operating procedures, and the discipline of its members.

"This is going to be a high-level investigation because this unit operates from the national police office," said Tshabalala.

"We want to find out how many complaints the units has received over the past 12 months, how these complaints were dealt with and whether appropriate action was taken."

The Democratic Alliance's Dianne Kohler-Barnard has welcomed the probe, saying the VIP Protection Unit had become a law unto themselves.


ANC spokesperson Carl Niehaus said the ICD had every right to probe the conduct of the VIP unit.

"The actions of the VIP unit should be determined by the risk they face, and must be based on security and not if someone is late for a meeting. And they should act in a responsible way for every road user."

Tshabalala said the investigation would take into account the various incidents that have occurred across the country.

"There is definitely an issue of discipline that needs to be looked at. Nobody is a law unto themselves."

He added he should have a progress report complete in two weeks and the investigation complete in a month.

Why do I get the feeling we shouldn't hold our breath...
 

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You only have 42 posts and you're already acting like a troll. I see dark days for you.

You can sit and debate the issues around the blue light convoys till u blue in the face all you want.
The sad fact is that the unit operates with impunity and with no regard to life and the rule of law.
And until someone in authority has the guts to actively prosecute the offending members or will stand up and actively reign in the services and how they operate we will be exposed to more shootings and assaults.

This is thuggery and blatant abuse of power hidden under the disguise of the law.

Its best to rather stay out of their way or in your case…………..

Feel free to antagonise them because you are Mr Joe citizen and see how far it gets you.:cool:

The Troll with only 42 posts humbly asks for forgiveness from his greatness EtienneK:cool:
 

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I heard on the radio this arvie that the police have released a statement saying that their previous statement regarding this incident may have been 'factually incorrect'!!!!!!!!

To translate, tannie De Beer from the SAPS was telling fibs to the public!
She was on radio saying that 2 investigations were ongoing, one with the SAPS and one with some other organization that I assume is a internal type investigation unit.

De Beer denied the events, despite the fact that he was in hospital with a gunshot wound, and also went as far as to say that the media had now gone to far with regards to this event and the way that they had reported it.

SAPS vision/mission
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prevent, combat and investigate crime;
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maintain public order;
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protect and secure the inhabitants of the Republic and their property; and
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uphold and enforce the law.
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create a safe and secure environment for all people in South Africa.
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prevent anything that may threaten the safety or security of any community
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investigate any crimes that threaten the safety or security of any community
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ensure criminals are brought to justice; and
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participation in efforts to address the causes of crime.

my ass
 

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Here it is.
Johannesburg - The police's VIP unit has admitted that "some" of the information it released about a car accident and shooting incident involving the presidential convoy had not been correct, but didn't specify which.

Meanwhile, a prosecutor at the Benoni Magistrate's Court confirmed the statements made by an eyewitness that Chase William van der Walt, 23, whose car crashed into a convoy vehicle, was shot.

This comes after national police spokesperson Director Sally de Beer insisted on Saturday after the incident at the Atlas Road offramp on the N12 highway in Benoni, that Van der Walt had injured his arm in the accident.

She then said a red VW Golf had driven too close to the convoy. Motlanthe's guards apparently cut off the Golf just before the accident happened.

De Beer said the Golf's driver ran away and the police fired a warning shot.

The man was taken to hospital to treat an arm wound which, De Beer said, had been sustained in the crash.

However, an eyewitness, Martin van Rensburg from Musina, said members of the VIP unit had shot the man and confiscated an SABC cameraman's film at the scene.

De Beer denied that the man had been shot.

"The newspapers have now gone too far," was her reply to the eyewitness's allegations.

On Wednesday, De Beer issued a statement in which she admitted that "some" of the information given to the media had not been correct.

"The gist of the story was correct; some of the details weren't."

Beeld has confirmed that a charge of attempted murder is being investigated against the VIP guards involved.

If you can't trust the police, who can you trust I ask you?

Cover ups the order of the day it seems!!!
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2449997,00.html

Maybe the broom that sweeps Selebi out needs to be bigger!
 

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One does have to question just how many charges of attempted murder have to be issued before the entire unit gets dissolved :confused:

Sally De Beer is just saying what she has to as a "spokesperson" since its her job to be a puppet on strings.

"There is definitely an issue of discipline that needs to be looked at. Nobody is a law unto themselves."

Discipline yes .. seems they are appointing just any old person to the unit and whatever training they offering needs to be questioned too :confused: Is there such a language barrier that these people go into the unit as police officers and somewhere along the line turn rogue? Told they have elevated priority and its abused so often? Clearly they don't consider mental health / discipline in the VIP Unit because it IS happening too often. :eek:
 

Sneeky

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"There is definitely an issue of discipline that needs to be looked at. Nobody is a law unto themselves."

Discipline yes ..
Discipline is lacking when you rock up at morning parade and your shoes are not polished, or you are disrespectful to your colleagues and superiors.

Shooting at and endangering the lives of innocent members of the public is 'hardly' a discipline issue.

That is a criminal matter, not a discipline issue!!

Yet again, no accountability under the ANC led administration.
 

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Well lets look at why this is happening. These guys are probably all ex-MK so that would mean they have no clue about discipline and think they are above the law. the fought in the struggle so that gives them the "right" to do as they please. Same with gvt.

Maybe they are part of the old police "specials" although I doubt it as most of these guys are below the rank of Sgt.
 
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