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Never been a fan of VirtualBox. I have an install of it now and I am regretting not sticking with VMware :(
 
Well either or, the point is that it's time virtualization made it into every home. Some of the benefits of virtualization are of appeal to home users too snd I can't help ask but why virtualization is used in such a lesser capacity?
 
I don't understand the need for virtualization 'at home'? What will the average Joe gain from it?
 
Where is the youtube link btw? guide on Youtube kind of misleading if there's no youtube. youtube. youtube. I like saying youtube.
 
Sorry the link is on the writeup I did but here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qKUDgdOcg The vid id to assist in setting up. As for the bloke who questioned why virtualization should start making it's way home..
1)Having more than one OS is vsery powerful especially when including double the applications.
I have yet to see an OS that does NOT have something I need.
2)Costs. More and more households have more than one computer. Let's not forget that it costs more to buy a second computer and to run it. Would you not rather share a more powerful desktop that does it's calculations faster and saves you time? What about the power usage of running an additional computer? I even went as far as mentioning cloud storage as a solution for those that have laptops and need data portability. Cloud storage makes a lot of data portable so that even laptop users can benefit from virtualization from home to work.

3)Costs on security. Again we save money by using s Linux even if just to browse safely .


I am not going to list every advantage of Virtualization here as that is why I did that guide.
 
Yucca, I don't think you have a very solid argument when it comes to why Virtualization would be used at home. You forget that 1 factor every home PC user have (or 99% of them). Stupidity... or let me be less blunt. Ignorance.

Whenever they buy a PC, they don't sit and load the OS from discs. They don't worry about hard drive issues, which is more secure to browse the internet or if an OS has something they need on it or not.

1) They get their OS pre-installed
2) The OS they get (and most often request to make sure they get) is the one they're already used to
3) If they don't know another OS has an application that they "need", chances are they won't care to get it OR already bought the equivalent for their computer.
4) Most house holds can't afford a PC, but those that do and/or has a 2nd PC usually upgraded the previous one making the other one "old" and for "the kids to play with".
5) In a family environment, you can't have 2 or more siblings use the same PC at the same time on different OS's (nor can you if it only has one OS). So the minute they do decide to upgrade, everyone is happier (unless there is fights about who gets to play on the "fast" computer now).
6) Families tend to share, or if with (5), don't throw out the old computer because it was so expensive. And since the new computer they bought ALSO comes pre-installed with their choice of OS. Why bother? Plus, it's more than likely already included in the price.
7) Most home PC's and home users don't give a flying **** about security, some still "raw dog" it on the internet. But most PC's and internet banking websites now come with *free* security software AND antivirus programs to protect you. That's all you really need unless you meant "Security" as in "I want to be invisible on the internet to do my dastardly deeds"
8) Cloud storage? What the hell is that? (that's my "home user" question of the day) and WHY would I want that if I can't afford the 2nd PC even? There is absolutely NO benefit or use for a HOME user to have a cloud storage facility. If he has the need then his needs are the 0.00001% needs of all home users and should probably consider getting his own server/cloud environment at a dedicated data center never mind the home.
9) Added to (8), who in their right mind would run Virtualization for cloud storage and have to then jump through hoops to get to their data? Virtualization requires EXTRA processing power and EXTRA RAM/Disc space. Might as well just save my porn under C:\Tax\1998
 
AcidRaZor said:
Yucca, I don't think you have a very solid argument when it comes to why Virtualization would be used at home. You forget that 1 factor every home PC user have (or 99% of them). Stupidity... or let me be less blunt. Ignorance.

Whenever they buy a PC, they don't sit and load the OS from discs. They don't worry about hard drive issues, which is more secure to browse the internet or if an OS has something they need on it or not.

1) They get their OS pre-installed
2) The OS they get (and most often request to make sure they get) is the one they're already used to
3) If they don't know another OS has an application that they "need", chances are they won't care to get it OR already bought the equivalent for their computer.
4) Most house holds can't afford a PC, but those that do and/or has a 2nd PC usually upgraded the previous one making the other one "old" and for "the kids to play with".
5) In a family environment, you can't have 2 or more siblings use the same PC at the same time on different OS's (nor can you if it only has one OS). So the minute they do decide to upgrade, everyone is happier (unless there is fights about who gets to play on the "fast" computer now).
6) Families tend to share, or if with (5), don't throw out the old computer because it was so expensive. And since the new computer they bought ALSO comes pre-installed with their choice of OS. Why bother? Plus, it's more than likely already included in the price.
7) Most home PC's and home users don't give a flying **** about security, some still "raw dog" it on the internet. But most PC's and internet banking websites now come with *free* security software AND antivirus programs to protect you. That's all you really need unless you meant "Security" as in "I want to be invisible on the internet to do my dastardly deeds"
8) Cloud storage? What the hell is that? (that's my "home user" question of the day) and WHY would I want that if I can't afford the 2nd PC even? There is absolutely NO benefit or use for a HOME user to have a cloud storage facility. If he has the need then his needs are the 0.00001% needs of all home users and should probably consider getting his own server/cloud environment at a dedicated data center never mind the home.
9) Added to (8), who in their right mind would run Virtualization for cloud storage and have to then jump through hoops to get to their data? Virtualization requires EXTRA processing power and EXTRA RAM/Disc space. Might as well just save my porn under C:\Tax\1998
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Seing sd you warmed up so much to the discussion, I will enlighten you...
It is not just companiies that run under utilized systems and that can benefit from costs reduced by reduced power consumption. When looking at an above average system (cost) look at what you get and most times that will be way over the average users usage. Most people buy hardware way over and above their needs and a great numberof people are unaware that they nay not even have needed to invest in a second system had they just purchased an extra mouse/keyboard combo with a screen. I have seen how incrredible conmen push quad cores to average consumers. Don't be fooled, those guys work on commission and wouldnever mention that a i7 desktop with 8GB RAM and terra byte disk storage is in fact enough for two people in most cases. They would rather sell you a second desktop.
 
I wrote out a really long post that was along the lines of what Acid said (in a more polite and less Grinchy way ofc) but I agree almost entirely, and then like a dumbass I clicked back by mistake and lost it all!!!

Virtualization is a buzz word and although it has it's definite uses, one of then does not quite fall on the home user yet. I can agree that many people will never use there new PC's to full capacity but we are not talking about servers here. If they even just peak the usage while loading Word or while booting, that is serving its purpose. To add a new Linux firewall to their machine is way above most home users capacity. The same being said for cloud storage, most people will not know what that is and even if they did, getting that configured to be remotely accessible would be another huge challenge. Even people who are 'enthusiasts' struggle with basic port forwarding. If you pushed this notion on them, I doubt they would even know much about redundancy and would probably leave with a failure and losing all their data. The single computer concept while good is flawed. To have a single powerful machine broken into machines would require dumb terminals and a dumb terminal is for some reason dumb terminals are the same price if not in many cases more expensive than a full machine.
 
Well, it was not my aim to force people to use virtualization at home but merely indicate that it can be done and provide tips for doing so. Also just making people aware of other benefits to it.
 
Yucca said:
Seing sd you warmed up so much to the discussion, I will enlighten you...
It is not just companiies that run under utilized systems and that can benefit from costs reduced by reduced power consumption. When looking at an above average system (cost) look at what you get and most times that will be way over the average users usage. Most people buy hardware way over and above their needs and a great numberof people are unaware that they nay not even have needed to invest in a second system had they just purchased an extra mouse/keyboard combo with a screen. I have seen how incrredible conmen push quad cores to average consumers. Don't be fooled, those guys work on commission and wouldnever mention that a i7 desktop with 8GB RAM and terra byte disk storage is in fact enough for two people in most cases. They would rather sell you a second desktop.
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Okay, so let's assume I purchase a PC at incredible connection. You're saying that all I need is an extra mouse + keyboard and screen and I could run off the same PC with 2 simultaneous users playing, I don't know, Starcraft 2?

Where do these extra mouses and keyboards and screens magically plug into my PC for virtualization to kick in and have me able to run 2 different OS'es at the same time? I'm not being sarcastic (or maybe just a little) but if you can show me that the cost of getting a PC from incredible + some extra screen/input peripherals will save me money, I'm all for it. My guess is that the graphics card somehow needs to support this. And not only that, that your machine needs to be setup to use this from the get go, and not some VirtualBox app that you downloaded+installed quickly...

Cost savings including all the time + extra hardware and effort required to run it is nowhere near the same as just buying another PC
 
Yucca said:
Well, it was not my aim to force people to use virtualization at home but merely indicate that it can be done and provide tips for doing so. Also just making people aware of other benefits to it.
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Anything CAN be done. However I feel your reasons for doing so is a bit way-out/not substantiated
 
AcidRaZor said:
Where do these extra mouses and keyboards and screens magically plug into my PC for virtualization to kick in and have me able to run 2 different OS'es at the same time? I'm not being sarcastic (or maybe just a little) but if you can show me that the cost of getting a PC from incredible + some extra screen/input peripherals will save me money, I'm all for it.
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You would need a dumb terminal (thin client) to achieve this. What it basically will do is do a network boot to from the host. I don't think you will be playing Star Craft on a dumb terminal however.
 
AcidRaZor said:
Okay, so let's assume I purchase a PC at incredible connection. You're saying that all I need is an extra mouse + keyboard and screen and I could run off the same PC with 2 simultaneous users playing, I don't know, Starcraft 2?

Where do these extra mouses and keyboards and screens magically plug into my PC for virtualization to kick in and have me able to run 2 different OS'es at the same time? I'm not being sarcastic (or maybe just a little) but if you can show me that the cost of getting a PC from incredible + some extra screen/input peripherals will save me money, I'm all for it. My guess is that the graphics card somehow needs to support this. And not only that, that your machine needs to be setup to use this from the get go, and not some VirtualBox app that you downloaded+installed quickly...

Cost savings including all the time + extra hardware and effort required to run it is nowhere near the same as just buying another PC
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GFX: GeForce 8000 or Radeon 2000 series with 512 MB RAM
CPU: Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2.
RAM: 2 GB
Internet: ADSL 3 Mbit

Update: - Blizzard sends word that these specs are not confirmed. Just so you know! These are the specs I found so yes perfectly doable. As mentioned on the youtube vid, a Quad core i7 is seen as a 8 core in Virtualbox because it is dual threaded. The only limitations on such a "dual" system would be unsuring that the graphics card has two outputs. When looking at virtualization remember that it's really a resource manager that can split up a system into smaller portions a needed. Hardware is the only limitation and not even machine startup should prevent home usage of Virtualization. /the problem is that it may require separate user privileges to be able to launch the virtualization application. My laptop as an example in the guide, can easily be split into two systems for me and my wife but allas I do not have a video outlet which makes it a problem. The fact that it is meant to be portable does not bother me.I use Ubuntu cloud so my data is everywhere.
 
Gnome said:
Why? What's wrong with VirtualBox?


Seriously? I don't really know what the process of hiding porn is but couldn't you just put it on a True Crypt volume?
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TruCrypt 7 is out btw...
 
Gnome said:
Why? What's wrong with VirtualBox?
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Well I have always used VMware Server and recently have switched to VMWare ESXi. You generally stick with what you know so this is probably a big factor. The second being VirtualBox is not a hyperVisor which has big performance difference. Most importantly and the biggest issue for me is that I had an instance of VirtualBox running on Windows 7 64 and was having endless issues and the final straw was the container file becoming corrupt and me losing a sh¡t ton of devwork that I had not put up onto GutHub, my own fault for not backing it up sooner but for an entire node to just become corrupt with no way to fix it. Was not a happy camper at all!
 
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