Vista - "Bend Over"

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http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/175801

..The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user.

Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft.

Even after installation, the legal agreement grants Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to require users to reactivate it should they make changes to their computer components. In addition, it sets significant limits on the ability to copy or transfer the software, prohibiting anything more than a single backup copy and setting strict limits on transferring the software to different devices or users.

Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, an anti-virus program that actively scans computers for "flowers, puppies, and other potentially unwanted software." The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.

Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe," even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.

For greater certainty, the terms and conditions remove any doubt about who is in control by providing that "this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights." For those users frustrated by the software's limitations, Microsoft cautions that "you may not work around any technical limitations in the software."

AND THIS:

Guttman's research suggests that consumers will pay more for less with poorer picture quality yet higher costs since Microsoft needed to obtain licences from third parties in order to access the technology that protects premium content (those licence fees were presumably incorporated into Vista's price).

Moreover, he calculated that the technological controls would require considerable consumption of computing power with the system conducting 30 checks each second to ensure that there are no attacks on the security of the premium content."
 
not in defence of vista, but to help try clear thinigs up

There are tons of people out there not understanding all of this “Vista DRM”, mainly because of less than accurate media reporting. That’s completely understandable, but lets run down a quick list here of some of the popular content out there.

DVD Rip (DivX, XivD, etc) downloaded from Bit Torrent/IRC/etc: Output at whatever resolution you want. No restrictions. Works the same as Windows XP. Don’t pirate stuff!

DVD Rip (VIDEO_TS, ISO) download from Bit Torrent/IRC/etc: Output at whatever resolution you want. No restrictions. Works the same as Windows XP. Don’t pirate stuff!

WMV HD Downloads (MariposaHD, etc): Output at whatever resolution you want. No restrictions. Works the same as Windows XP.

Apple/Quicktime HD Downloads: Output at whatever resolution you want. No restrictions. Works the same as Windows XP.

Videocasts/blogcasts/Internet TV/IPTV: Output at whatever resolution you want. No restrictions. Works the same as Windows XP.

DVR-MS (SD) Recordings: Output at whatever resolution you want. You can still edit recordings, convert recordings, etc unless they are CGMS-A protected. Works the same as Windows XP.

DVR-MS (HD) Recordings: Output at whatever resolution you want. You can still edit recordings, convert recordings, etc. Works the same as Windows XP.

MPEG-2/DivX/etc Recordings from 3rd Party PVRs: Output at whatever resolution you want. You can still edit recordings, convert recordings, etc. Works the same as Windows XP.

CableCARD: Content recorded from CableCARDs will follow the same sort of output regulations as HD DVD and Blu-ray. Not available in Windows XP.

DVD: Output at whatever resolution you want. If using Component, output is limited because of Macrovision. Use AnyDVD or like to output at whatever you want. Works the same as Windows XP.

HD DVD: If is ICT set; output at 540p if you are not using HDCP. If using a digital connection (DVI, HDMI) with HDCP, output will be whatever you want. If ICT is not set, you can output at 1080p with VGA and 1080i with Component. Works the same as Windows XP.

Blu-ray Disc (BD): If is ICT set; output at 540p if you are not using HDCP. If using a digital connection (DVI, HDMI) with HDCP, output will be whatever you want. If ICT is not set, you can output at 1080p with VGA and 1080i with Component. Works the same as Windows XP.

the bits to note are the parts that say "works the same in xp"
not that much has changed. we jsut didnt make a fuss about it in xp
 
I don't understand why anyone would willingly switch to vista.
 
Vista doesnt do anything more that XP cant do.... and in less than 2Gig RAM

It offers nothing for the office user.
 
I don't understand why anyone would willingly switch to vista.
If you're not a gamer, there's no reason to switch. Gamers would need it to run DirectX10 games. Apart from that, if you want the Vista look, then you could get XP to look like Vista by getting the Vista transformation pack.
 
so theres not much of a 'big leap forward' with Vista.. if anything, large parts of the OS and structure seems focused on controlling and cross-checking what people are doing on their pc's.. Even if XP did/does do this - Vista seems to be far more overt about it..
Not that anyone here has ANY illegal software on their machines, or uses their pc's for anything dodgy :P Still, the serious focus of Vista on controlling content, and snooping through ones files, makes me totally unlikely to ever want to move onto it, until a year or two's time, when the OS has been thoroughly hacked, and crippled in its ability to report and compile info on users behavior..
 
I don't understand why anyone would willingly switch to vista.

I remember saying the exact same thing when XP was released. Anyone remember how buggy that original version was?

Give it 2 years to settle in.
 
so theres not much of a 'big leap forward' with Vista.. if anything, large parts of the OS and structure seems focused on controlling and cross-checking what people are doing on their pc's.. Even if XP did/does do this - Vista seems to be far more overt about it..
Not that anyone here has ANY illegal software on their machines, or uses their pc's for anything dodgy :P Still, the serious focus of Vista on controlling content, and snooping through ones files, makes me totally unlikely to ever want to move onto it, until a year or two's time, when the OS has been thoroughly hacked, and crippled in its ability to report and compile info on users behavior..

I think it was Werner who pointed this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista

There is clearly a lot of stuff that has been done. But at this stage none of it really noticably enhances my use of a PC. Not anything I can find at this stage anyway. It's ugly too. The sidebar does nothing for me - just got to get it out of the friggin way. The User Account Protection feature is insanely frustrating and has to be bombed ASAP! It's hard to find drivers for all your stuff. Network setups are frustrating too. No doubt we will all be forced into using in time it by things like Office file compatibility and DX10.

Sad. I was hoping for something way more impressive in user experience. Some fun, some novel useful things, maybe something revolutionary, ahead of Apple for once. But it is just sort of a plodding progression in terms of the user interface, with a few steps back like the hideously coloured "glowing" max/min/close buttons.


IPX no longer supported! Woe!!!! :rolleyes:

PS - Office 2007 BRING BACK MY MENUS!!!!
 
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Don't think I'll ever use Vista. Been seriously wanting to try out Linux properly as a windows replacement, this might just be what pushes me over the edge:) I'll carry on with XP for a while though.
 
If you're not a gamer, there's no reason to switch. Gamers would need it to run DirectX10 games. Apart from that, if you want the Vista look, then you could get XP to look like Vista by getting the Vista transformation pack.

John Cormack criticised this aspect of the Windows Vista fake need for
DX10 and mentioned that there's no need to go DX10 yet, hence forget Vista.

His interview is on Slashdot, about 2 weeks back.
 
I remember saying the exact same thing when XP was released. Anyone remember how buggy that original version was?

Give it 2 years to settle in.

XP offered full 32 bit premptive multitasking for the HOME user. Home users did not use Windows 2K and even so, Win2K did not run many games very well. XP is MS best OS for the home user thus far, infinitely better than the
16bit based Windows 98/ME. Now what does Vista bring in?
Prettier menus? New interface? Better antivirus stuff? It's like boasting that
a new generation car has electric windows while the previous version was an upgrade from a bicycle.
 
Yea Vista is pretty, but considering all the Anti-piracy stuff, may push me away from it all. After playing with it, honestly, i'm not all that impressed besides all the effects... I think the Majong game is the best hi-lite for me.

Office 2007 - they have really really really stuffed up the menu works - its ugly and you need to search for what you want to do!. Sorry, going back to 2003.

I can't imagine myself going to linux - if only it ran 3rd party software as easily as XP does - one can only hope someone pulls it off and creates code for ubuntu that will see people flocking over to linux - i definately will follow!.
 
I can't imagine myself going to linux - if only it ran 3rd party software as easily as XP does - one can only hope someone pulls it off and creates code for ubuntu that will see people flocking over to linux - i definately will follow!.

My only niggle with Ubuntu/Linux is that most USB devices tend to play hardball... and with some you need to jump through several hoops just to get it to work...

...but apart from that it works fine.
 
Using FC6 and Kubuntu Edgy and my USB stick, my camera and my ipod nano are picked up without issue.
 
Using FC6 and Kubuntu Edgy and my USB stick, my camera and my ipod nano are picked up without issue.

and if they werent? then there is the community to turn to...
and if that doesnt help?

there is a reason why one of the only markets for making money with linux is in support services. people want support. we want to blame someone for our troubles and have them fix it (I am talking about the 80% here, not me or you specifically)
modern man always says "it wasnt me, i didnt do it" it is somehow inbred in our genes from a young age..deny everything.

i have a multitude of printers, tv tuner cards and even satellite cards of which there is no linux support, and never will be. i would love them to work in linux, but they dont. i know most things work in linux, but 90% of a functioning pc is not good enough anymore. one day i dream of just buying any hardware and plugging it in and it works in linux, but for the time being lets not kid ourselves.
 
Yet another sooth sayer...
I suppose people will eventually get tiered of this...
Theres an underlying hatred for MS by many people and be it its justifiable or not, it's there and its fine. However we should not let it blind us from the truth.

What's the truth? Microsoft as a company is a winner, FACT! NO other company has made or has more millionaires than Microsoft. How did they get these monies? Through our support and through others inability to act.

Microsoft at some point was a two man job . AT some point when you said computer you said IBM and that was that. At this very time there were other operating systems and other software companies. All with more money, more programmers and basically more resources than Microware. When Microware bumped head with IBM, it was IBM that told them to go jump and it's followers followed suit. Today Microsoft can buy IBM, has the largest install base, the biggest and most commercially successful Operating system to date, and (once again) the most advanced graphics API in the world. Oh they also have currently the number 1 selling Console in the world.

This didn't happen by magic, it didn't happen over night, Microsoft is at least 30 years old. Now since so many hate Microsoft, how did this happen? If Microsoft is so bad, so evil, so useless at any and everything, how di all this happen? The millions they bank daily, is it not your millions that you have given them for years on end?
Sigh... guess it started this size... :/

John Cormack criticised this aspect of the Windows Vista fake need for
DX10 and mentioned that there's no need to go DX10 yet, hence forget Vista.
Please John Carmack as good as he is, started to believe his own hype and unfortunately he just isn't the best. He may like to believe he is, he may have been treated as such, but truth is he isn't and hasn't been since 1999's Q3A engine.

Oh and BTW? What DirectX game has JC ever worked on? no what DX game has iD ever worked on? No here's an even better question.. When last did iD have the best visual engine? Ah yes the answers are 1)None, 2)None 3)1999's Q3A. Laughable really

Um Tim Sweeney you know UE2, UE3 powering so many games, seems to like DX10 ;) Oh and before I forget the guys who brought us FarCry (you may remember them as Crytek) seem to love DX10. Okay so the guys who have designed the two best engines out there seem to love DX10, yet a guy who has yet to deliver on the promises of Doom3 finds it fit to have an opinion... LOL Try again, how about he makes a UE3 equivalent engine let alone a Crysis matching one, then lets talk, until then... Stick to dark corridors, square shadows and low polygon creatures with plastic skin ;)

It's nice to know what JC thinks, but he just isn't that important. He can stick to OpenGL if he likes, lets see how far that takes him...

I have been using Vista for a month now, and used it full time when GF8 drivers arrived. I am happy, it's better than XP. I have Vista transformation pack 6.0 for XP. It's not Vista, nowhere close. Vista is faster, it is prettier, fonts are easier to read, its more productive for me. It's less problematic and did I mention I actually like it. The Gf8s I use are faster in Vista too. I really like it and I think I'm not the only one.

See use it, not for a week but use it for atleast 3weeks everyday. Then say XP is better. You're little 5minute ot 1 day stint is useless as a form of comparison. ;)
 
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