Vlok to be prosecuted

kilo39 said:
Or more likely an ongoing campaign by a racist government to keep old wounds festering. I mean, don't they have anything better to do (and any excuse is better than none.)
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Vlok was given the chance to heal old wounds but he through it right back...
 
You know, if the ANC where to bomb church headquarters, or put poison in the underpants of their opponents, I'd want them to be prosecuted.

Not sure how this opens the ANC to prosecution when they are out of office?
 
Bageloo said:
Vlok was given the chance to heal old wounds but he through it right back...
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It is now 10+ years later (oh yes, please let's try Buthelezi for war crimes.)

Justice delayed may be justice after all but this is simply a parody of the law while so many others go unpunished.

While former president F.W. de Klerk appeared before the commission and reiterated his apology for the suffering caused by apartheid, many black South Africans were angered at amnesty being granted for human rights abuses committed by the apartheid government. This criticism stems from misunderstanding the mandate of the commission, which was to uncover the truth about past abuse, using amnesty as a mechanism, rather than to punish past crimes
Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa)
 
kilo39 said:
While former president F.W. de Klerk appeared before the commission and reiterated his apology for the suffering caused by apartheid, many black South Africans were angered at amnesty being granted for human rights abuses committed by the apartheid government. This criticism stems from misunderstanding the mandate of the commission, which was to uncover the truth about past abuse, using amnesty as a mechanism, rather than to punish past crimes
Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa)
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Kilo, I agree with you about Buthelezi: like Vlok, he didn't receive amnesty, but I somehow doubt we'll see him being tried. :rolleyes:

Yeah, the TRC was imperfect, but what would've been better? A Nuremburg-style war crimes trial? Like the anthem, eleven languages and so much else in SA, it was a compromise that wasn't ideal but was probably better than any of the other options.
 
It seems like alot of you are sympathising with Vlok because you dislike the ANC? By the same logic you then disapprove of justice taking place?
 
Fudzy said:
It seems like alot of you are sympathising with Vlok because you dislike the ANC? By the same logic you then disapprove of justice taking place?
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I'm not sympathising with Vlok. I am curious as to why it's now all of a sudden becoming an issue.
 
Fudzy said:
It seems like alot of you are sympathising with Vlok because you dislike the ANC? By the same logic you then disapprove of justice taking place?
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I am not sympathising with Vlok I am sympathising with the further atrocity perpetrated on the people of SA in the name of justice (when in fact there is [-]little[/-] none to be found.)
 
kilo39 said:
I am not sympathising with Vlok I am sympathising with the further atrocity perpetrated on the people of SA in the name of justice (when in fact there is [-]little[/-] none to be found.)
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Pray tell, what is this further atrocity, you speak of. The TRC process ran it's course, many of the perpetrators of human rights violations did not come forward with the truth, the NPA looked into these cases, and took decisions, where there is evidence they will prosecute, the point of the excercise is to get to the truth.

This has not suddenly happened, it is a natural progression of the TRC process. If the prosecutions do not take place, it will be a mockery of the entire TRC process.

Who knows what kept certain people from comming to the TRC, whether it was arrogance or fear, the NPA's doors are now open to them to come forward, or they have to wait until enough evidence is collected and they are prosecuted
 
xtermin8or said:
Who knows what kept certain people from comming to the TRC, whether it was arrogance or fear, the NPA's doors are now open to them to come forward, or they have to wait until enough evidence is collected and they are prosecuted
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A far whack of the people that did go forward were denied amnesty, that is, from the previous regimes side under the very vague notion of 'not full disclosure' because the answers they provided were not necessarily the answers the TRC or the victims families were looking for, or perhaps expecting!
The same cannot be said for ANC cadre's.
Perhaps that was motivation enough to keep quiet? Why walk yourself to your own persecution?
Perhaps they asked themselves why go forward and offer this, what is the point of Truth and Reconciliation if there is no reconciliation, if you will be denied amnesty anyway?

If they did not offer full disclosure when testifying and there is proof of that now, then they only have themselves to blame really as it was clear from the outset that this would be the case.


Just putting that out there. I dont care what happens to Vlok frankly.
Would like to know what other prosecutions are in the wings and who they are.
 
Sneeky said:
A far whack of the people that did go forward were denied amnesty, that is, from the previous regimes side under the very vague notion of 'not full disclosure' because the answers they provided were not necessarily the answers the TRC or the victims families were looking for, or perhaps expecting!
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Many did not even apply for amnesty, I sat through a fair number of amnesty hearings, and the principles of the TRC and amnesty were considered very carefully -

Look now at the Pebco 3 - it now seems the policemen lied to the commission, did they deserve amnesty for this, according to your logic, they were denied amnesty for not giving full disclosure
 
xtermin8or said:
Pray tell, what is this further atrocity, you speak of. The TRC process ran it's course, many of the perpetrators of human rights violations did not come forward with the truth, the NPA looked into these cases, and took decisions, where there is evidence they will prosecute, the point of the excercise is to get to the truth.

This has not suddenly happened, it is a natural progression of the TRC process. If the prosecutions do not take place, it will be a mockery of the entire TRC process.

Who knows what kept certain people from comming to the TRC, whether it was arrogance or fear, the NPA's doors are now open to them to come forward, or they have to wait until enough evidence is collected and they are prosecuted
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The further atrocity is dragging this through the quagmire of race relations in this country. There is already a perception we have a racist government; this will only reinforce it.

If the prosecutions do not take place, it will be a mockery of the entire TRC process.
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Pray tell. Show me your list. If there are anc cadres in the top three to be prosecuted perhaps it will be less than a mockery of justice.
 
Like I've explained before, the prosecutions by the NPA is the natural follow up of the TRC process, where there is evidence people will be prosecuted, there is evidence against these men ( Vlok hulle ) and therefore they will be prosecuted

I also said before, that the NPA is looking into prosecuting people for the violence and killings in KZN in the pre-election violence, there will be both ANC and IFP people being prosecuted in those cases.

The fact that Vlok and Van Der Merwe are being prosecuted first is only because the NPA has it's ducks in a row in terms of their case, the rest will follow.

Not all people who were denied amnesty will be prosecuted, the NPA could decide not to follow through with a prosecution if the perpetrator provides them with enough information so that families can find out what happened to their loved ones, and if possible find their remains
 
tibby.dude said:
You are wasting your time stating facts with this lot.
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'FW de Klerk has a lot to answer for'
July 18 2007
By Sapa & Murray Williams

About 22 000 ANC members who were involved in acts of violence had been released as part of negotiations before the TRC was set up.

"Following the TRC process, 7 000 people, mainly from the side of the former NP government, did not receive amnesty. If the current government intends to prosecute everyone who did not receive amnesty … South Africa will be busy with these kind of court cases for the next 20 years," he said.
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