Vodacom Please Call Me - The truth

Ubuntu_Babe said:
I suspect you should do a little reading and research on what's going on for yourself Jannie, like I have.

You must admit that Julius and the EFF and the BFF are rather quiet though about this case, after that rovelling meeting that Shameel had with them in December.....Very curious indeed. Join the dots between Loni Prinsloo of Bloomberg, who released the initial article about the Vodacom 'settlement' and her BFF Facebook buddy Byron Kennedy, the media-savvy spokesperson (and ex-director of Moneyweb, where the fake-news 'story was initially released.

Even Inspector Clouseau (or maybe you Jannie) would be able to join the dots on this one.......Here's a few clues to get you started. Conspiracy theories...pah!
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I'm also good friends with Loni. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy as well?

Have you phoned Julius yet?
 
jannievanzyl said:
I'm also good friends with Loni. Maybe I'm in on the conspiracy as well?

Have you phoned Julius yet?
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I don't think you are part of any conspiracy Jannie.

As the Executive Head of Consumer Data at Vodacom, I'm sure you have come up with many innovations and strategies that than made Vodacom a lot of money over the years. It's your job. Makate came up with one of the greatest 'telecoms' ideas of all time that made Vodacom $Billions, yet he got nothing.

I have no doubt that a man in your position would appreciate the huge value that the PCM idea generated for Vodacom and their parent company Vodafone, who rolled it out in many territories in the last 18 years. Even if they didn't actually charge for the PCM service, it was the catalyst for untold riches for Vodacom, while Makate hasn't received a cent.

Vodacom don't have a conscience about the despicable way they have treated him, but I hope some of their employees do, including you Jannie.

It cannot have escaped your intellect that Vodacom have (by default), admitted that they have a case to answer to Makate, by their latest 'settlement, even if they don't acknowledge to him the huge financial benefits that accrued to them, as a result of his brilliant idea.

Have you any idea where Philip Geissler is these days? It would be great if your friend Loni Pronsloo could track him down wherever he is and get the true Hollywood story from him about exactly what he agreed with Makate, instead of the fabricated version that Alan Knott-Craig wrote in his autobiography Second is Nothing. A shocking liar.

Now that would be a great story for Loni right there......if she can write it impartially, unlike the 'fake-new's piece that she wrote for Bloomberg. (I still believe that Byron Kennedy gave the piece the 'once over' before she 'released' it to the media.)

I haven't phoned Julius yet. I've heard he's coming to the party at the end of January......

Bring on the Vodacom trolls!
 
Slootvreter said:
I see there is now a Shutdown Vodacom movement or some kack like that :ROFL::ROFL:

These people. LMAO
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This so-called 'movement' has not been established for Makete. The 'movement' is there for those behind Makete, who poured large sums of money into this case. They want their money back, along with the expectations of Billions more. This has nothing to do with Makete. No matter what amount is being paid out, the bulk of this settlement will end up with those who financed this drive. Makete will see very little, if anything at all.
 
Lew Skannen said:
This so-called 'movement' has not been established for Makete. The 'movement' is there for those behind Makete, who poured large sums of money into this case. They want their money back, along with the expectations of Billions more. This has nothing to do with Makete. No matter what amount is being paid out, the bulk of this settlement will end up with those who financed this drive. Makete will see very little, if anything at all.
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Indeed it will. Everyone wants a piece of this. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
Sollie said:
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/293736-vodacom-admits-mtn-invented-the-please-call-me.html
Thread: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/vodacom-admits-mtn-invented-the-please-call-me.1003762/
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Solly, there must be lots of Vodacom employees registered on MyBroadband, as there are quite a few 'members' who have something negative to say about Makate and his PCM idea, which Vodacom made $Billions from. Please read up on the court transcript of Alan Knott-Craig's testimony, where he denied that MTN or Ari Kahn 'invented' the PCM technology. In fairness, as he was a compulsive liar on the matter, you could be forgiven for not believing a word that comes out of that man's mouth. Shameful.

When you remember that when Alan was running the show at Vodacom, there was never any mention by him whatsoever that he had stolen the idea from MTN or Ari Kahn. The reason for this is simple, is that it's yet another lie from Vodacom in a long list of untruths from them. He ran that company with an iron fist. They wrongly believed that they would see the Makate kid off along time ago, but he's still here fighting on. The punitive damages to MTN would be significant for stealing one of their most valuable money-spinning ideas, so why was there no hulabaloo from Kahn or MTN when Makate started suing Vodacom.

MTN/Ari Kahn has had ample opportunity to make their case and stake their claim to the PCM fortune, but they didn't, until now. Why? It could have been a three way battle then. If Vodacom really believed what they are saying now that it was MTN's idea, why the silence for all these years?

Then there's the 'patent registration' timeline which plays out in the space of 1 month between Ari Kahn and Makate. Hindsight is an exact science and we all know how successful PCM turned out to be over the last 18 years since it was conceived by Makate. Ari's (and Vodacom) strategy now is to fire a few distracting flares to muddy the waters. (Is he also working as a consultant for Vodacom?)

Let's see this case back in the Constitutional Court for their determination of whether Vodacom have acted in good faith or not, in determining what is equitable compensation for Makate's idea. They have admitted as much by offering him a settlement......
 
Ubuntu_Babe said:
Solly, there must be lots of Vodacom employees registered on MyBroadband, as there are quite a few 'members' who have something negative to say about Makate and his PCM idea, which Vodacom made $Billions from. Please read up on the court transcript of Alan Knott-Craig's testimony, where he denied that MTN or Ari Kahn 'invented' the PCM technology. In fairness, as he was a compulsive liar on the matter, you could be forgiven for not believing a word that comes out of that man's mouth. Shameful.

When you remember that when Alan was running the show at Vodacom, there was never any mention by him whatsoever that he had stolen the idea from MTN or Ari Kahn. The reason for this is simple, is that it's yet another lie from Vodacom in a long list of untruths from them. He ran that company with an iron fist. They wrongly believed that they would see the Makate kid off along time ago, but he's still here fighting on. The punitive damages to MTN would be significant for stealing one of their most valuable money-spinning ideas, so why was there no hulabaloo from Kahn or MTN when Makate started suing Vodacom.

MTN/Ari Kahn has had ample opportunity to make their case and stake their claim to the PCM fortune, but they didn't, until now. Why? It could have been a three way battle then. If Vodacom really believed what they are saying now that it was MTN's idea, why the silence for all these years?

Then there's the 'patent registration' timeline which plays out in the space of 1 month between Ari Kahn and Makate. Hindsight is an exact science and we all know how successful PCM turned out to be over the last 18 years since it was conceived by Makate. Ari's (and Vodacom) strategy now is to fire a few distracting flares to muddy the waters. (Is he also working as a consultant for Vodacom?)

Let's see this case back in the Constitutional Court for their determination of whether Vodacom have acted in good faith or not, in determining what is equitable compensation for Makate's idea. They have admitted as much by offering him a settlement......
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So how much is in it for you? Maybe fight your battles in court. Not going to get any favors around here playing the race and apartheid cards.
 
Ubuntu_Babe said:
They have admitted as much by offering him a settlement......
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Not at this stage - not about 'offers' now. Vodacom CEO has determined an amount in line with ConCourt ruling. Let Makatoo and his endless line of gold-digging lawyers take it and stfu. The risks were high, the potential reward was high, but they lost out. Tuffees.
 
Ubuntu_Babe said:
Solly, there must be lots of Vodacom employees registered on MyBroadband, as there are quite a few 'members' who have something negative to say about Makate and his PCM idea, which Vodacom made $Billions from. Please read up on the court transcript of Alan Knott-Craig's testimony, where he denied that MTN or Ari Kahn 'invented' the PCM technology. In fairness, as he was a compulsive liar on the matter, you could be forgiven for not believing a word that comes out of that man's mouth. Shameful.

When you remember that when Alan was running the show at Vodacom, there was never any mention by him whatsoever that he had stolen the idea from MTN or Ari Kahn. The reason for this is simple, is that it's yet another lie from Vodacom in a long list of untruths from them. He ran that company with an iron fist. They wrongly believed that they would see the Makate kid off along time ago, but he's still here fighting on. The punitive damages to MTN would be significant for stealing one of their most valuable money-spinning ideas, so why was there no hulabaloo from Kahn or MTN when Makate started suing Vodacom.

MTN/Ari Kahn has had ample opportunity to make their case and stake their claim to the PCM fortune, but they didn't, until now. Why? It could have been a three way battle then. If Vodacom really believed what they are saying now that it was MTN's idea, why the silence for all these years?

Then there's the 'patent registration' timeline which plays out in the space of 1 month between Ari Kahn and Makate. Hindsight is an exact science and we all know how successful PCM turned out to be over the last 18 years since it was conceived by Makate. Ari's (and Vodacom) strategy now is to fire a few distracting flares to muddy the waters. (Is he also working as a consultant for Vodacom?)

Let's see this case back in the Constitutional Court for their determination of whether Vodacom have acted in good faith or not, in determining what is equitable compensation for Makate's idea. They have admitted as much by offering him a settlement......
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Sorry for my English, but I'm gonna try my best to explain the way I see it.

Where in the history of SA corporates does an employee receive a % or earn an investment for an ideas created within a company. Vodacom's mistake was that they did not compensate him for the idea, which is probably why they were ordered now to do so, as it should have been handled. Even if he was compensated back when he shared the idea, it would never have been millions. His idea at that stage wasn't worth muchef until Vodacom developed it. The fact that Vodacom has offered him millions is very generous. Now if Makate resigned, started his own businesses and sold his complete product to Vodacom, he could have argued a % of the proffit. This is not about who is on what side or who likes or hates who.As much as we hate these big corporates having redicolous OOB charges, we still need to think logical about the situation. Without Vodacom, Makates idea was nothing but a fart in the wind. He didn't have the capital, nor the experience to do something useful with the idea. Vodacom made it happen, Vodacom spent all the money, vodacom supplied all the capital, vodacom sorted out issues, Vodacom developed it into a working product. In order to justify the billions Makate think he is entitled to, you must show an example where this has been practiced before.
 
RedViking said:
Sorry for my English, but I'm gonna try my best to explain the way I see it.

Where in the history of SA corporates does an employee receive a % or earn an investment for an ideas created within a company. Vodacom's mistake was that they did not compensate him for the idea, which is probably why they were ordered now to do so, as it should have been handled. Even if he was compensated back when he shared the idea, it would never have been millions. His idea at that stage wasn't worth muchef until Vodacom developed it. The fact that Vodacom has offered him millions is very generous. Now if Makate resigned, started his own businesses and sold his complete product to Vodacom, he could have argued a % of the proffit. This is not about who is on what side or who likes or hates who.As much as we hate these big corporates having redicolous OOB charges, we still need to think logical about the situation. Without Vodacom, Makates idea was nothing but a fart in the wind. He didn't have the capital, nor the experience to do something useful with the idea. Vodacom made it happen, Vodacom spent all the money, vodacom supplied all the capital, vodacom sorted out issues, Vodacom developed it into a working product. In order to justify the billions Makate think he is entitled to, you must show an example where this has been practiced before.
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I could agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that Vodacom tried to cheat him out of getting anything. The "idea" as we now know it is worth a lot more where at the time it wasn't. Where the issue now comes in is multiple other parties got involved out of greed where he only wanted fair compensation initially. If Vodacom had offered him a fair deal before the trial started he probably would have taken it and left but he had to go through a lot of trouble to get here. That's why they must pay up. The R10m figure being thrown around is just opportunistic thumb sucking as nobody has access to the negotiations and for all we know the figure could have been R100k which wouldn't even cover legal costs.
 
Ubuntu_Babe said:
I don't think you are part of any conspiracy Jannie.

As the Executive Head of Consumer Data at Vodacom, I'm sure you have come up with many innovations and strategies that than made Vodacom a lot of money over the years. It's your job. Makate came up with one of the greatest 'telecoms' ideas of all time that made Vodacom $Billions, yet he got nothing.

I have no doubt that a man in your position would appreciate the huge value that the PCM idea generated for Vodacom and their parent company Vodafone, who rolled it out in many territories in the last 18 years. Even if they didn't actually charge for the PCM service, it was the catalyst for untold riches for Vodacom, while Makate hasn't received a cent.

Vodacom don't have a conscience about the despicable way they have treated him, but I hope some of their employees do, including you Jannie.

It cannot have escaped your intellect that Vodacom have (by default), admitted that they have a case to answer to Makate, by their latest 'settlement, even if they don't acknowledge to him the huge financial benefits that accrued to them, as a result of his brilliant idea.

Have you any idea where Philip Geissler is these days? It would be great if your friend Loni Pronsloo could track him down wherever he is and get the true Hollywood story from him about exactly what he agreed with Makate, instead of the fabricated version that Alan Knott-Craig wrote in his autobiography Second is Nothing. A shocking liar.

Now that would be a great story for Loni right there......if she can write it impartially, unlike the 'fake-new's piece that she wrote for Bloomberg. (I still believe that Byron Kennedy gave the piece the 'once over' before she 'released' it to the media.)

I haven't phoned Julius yet. I've heard he's coming to the party at the end of January......

Bring on the Vodacom trolls!
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// cashes in money from VC for posts in this thread
 
Swa said:
I could agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that Vodacom tried to cheat him out of getting anything. The "idea" as we now know it is worth a lot more where at the time it wasn't. Where the issue now comes in is multiple other parties got involved out of greed where he only wanted fair compensation initially. If Vodacom had offered him a fair deal before the trial started he probably would have taken it and left but he had to go through a lot of trouble to get here. That's why they must pay up. The R10m figure being thrown around is just opportunistic thumb sucking as nobody has access to the negotiations and for all we know the figure could have been R100k which wouldn't even cover legal costs.
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I agree what they did is not fair and was unethical. There is no argument about that. But where do you draw the line in what Makate or Makate's new friends think he should get?
 
RedViking said:
I agree what they did is not fair and was unethical. There is no argument about that. But where do you draw the line in what Makate or Makate's new friends think he should get?
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He should get nothing. He was not the first to bring it up. It was already conceived and patented by a mtn employee. The first person to patent something is king according to law. If he and his lawyers get paid out I really do hope the real inventor & mtn (they jointly held the original patent) go after his ass and his lawyers.
 
ponder said:
He should get nothing. He was not the first to bring it up. It was already conceived and patented by a mtn employee. The first person to patent something is king according to law. If he and his lawyers get paid out I really do hope the real inventor & mtn (they jointly held the original patent) go after his ass and his lawyers.
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Okay but if you study the court case, Vodacom acknowledges him as giving them the idea to do the please call me. Whether it was done before is beside the point. So between him and Vodacom he should be compensated. Which is what they did. If I remember correctly there is already an agreement between Vodscom and MTN regarding the call me service. So who ever thinks they created and patented it will have to go after MTN. Within in Vodacom Makate was acknowledged to bring forth the idea. But for him to think he is entitled to billions is absurd.
 
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