Seems to be quite reasonable, I think. I don't think I'll ever spend more than 48 hours on the phone in one month.Hi there found out for you today about how much bandwidth it will use hope it help
1 gig = 48 hours
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I have been using vox for a little while now and I think its Totally awesome, not just for the excellent voip service but also for the opportunity that they have presented for anyone to make some bucks on the side.
Regarding call costs I noticed someone saying that callers to a vox line are charged extra, well according to what I know they are not and even if they were what does it really matter as all of us make calls to cellphones from a Telkom line and this as you know at +- R1.83 a minute is not cheap so why feather and tar vox ? no matter what you do here in SA you are going to be paying so why not get vox and at least get somthing back in the form of rebates.
Regarding call costs I noticed someone saying that callers to a vox line are charged extra, well according to what I know they are not and even if they were what does it really matter as all of us make calls to cellphones from a Telkom line and this as you know at +- R1.83 a minute is not cheap so why feather and tar vox ? no matter what you do here in SA you are going to be paying so why not get vox and at least get somthing back in the form of rebates.
Lets see: In order to buy her a Vox phone, I must fork out R300 upfront,
then order her an ADSL line, lets call that a monthly charge of R200, then there is the R200 per month for the ISP and 3G account.............and then of course the R49pm phone. So in order to assist Grandma to dodge the additional per minute call rate to an 087, I must lay down R449 per month.
Her current Telkom usage and line is on average is, lets say R400 per month, and if we are generous she will save 50% of that from now on. Therefore she saves R200 and I foot the bill for R249. If Im not making at least R249 savings on my 087 then where is your point.
Lets go back to your punch line:
"you should just get the "vox to vox" cheap or free point by now?"
You are not much of a closer are you, but nice punt.
Would love to go any road but Telkom but right now but either someone looses or someone must subsidise, and I dont buy the argument that we should, as consumers, pay in just to support an alternative.
Complacency sucks !!
I quote a comment made earlier on this thread:
"At the end of the day the Vox guys I met on the weekend are pretty persausive mainly becuase they're young (as am I), idealistic and upfront. One almost doesn't mind paying a bit extra to support them in their cause."
What a total Moron !!This persons' response really scare's the living daylights out of me.
Complacency is exactly what service providers look for when trying to sell their product.
I take my hat off to the "Vox guys" - Show the customer exactly what he wants to see and hear, and he's all yours ! He will even pay you MORE ......
What a sucker !!!!
Dont and Puttybag both reflect my point of view.
Regardless of what I am buying - don't try pull the wool over my eyes !!
As a comsumer, I will not pay MORE if I don't have to !!
I am not an idiot - so don't patronise me with the "free" sales pitch.
The case in point - discussed in this forum -has been blurred with the competition with Telkom. The products cannot be compared because they are clearly not the same. (Apples and oranges !!!)
Understand the product and then you can compare the market.
This leads me to my next point.......let's all understand the product and how it works. Dont explains the mechanism very clearly...even if we leave poor Granny out of the equation.
If VOX can be upfront and explain how they are able to offer such advertised saving, and be transparent with regards the costs from all avenues, then I might be able to make up my own mind ....
"Don't knock it until you try it".....I read elsewhere - not only is that statement complacent.....it is blind stupidity !!
I quote a comment made earlier on this thread:
"At the end of the day the Vox guys I met on the weekend are pretty persausive mainly becuase they're young (as am I), idealistic and upfront. One almost doesn't mind paying a bit extra to support them in their cause."
What a total Moron !!This persons' response really scare's the living daylights out of me.
Complacency is exactly what service providers look for when trying to sell their product.
I take my hat off to the "Vox guys" - Show the customer exactly what he wants to see and hear, and he's all yours ! He will even pay you MORE ......
What a sucker !!!!
Dont and Puttybag both reflect my point of view.
Regardless of what I am buying - don't try pull the wool over my eyes !!
As a comsumer, I will not pay MORE if I don't have to !!
I am not an idiot - so don't patronise me with the "free" sales pitch.
The case in point - discussed in this forum -has been blurred with the competition with Telkom. The products cannot be compared because they are clearly not the same. (Apples and oranges !!!)
Understand the product and then you can compare the market.
This leads me to my next point.......let's all understand the product and how it works. Dont explains the mechanism very clearly...even if we leave poor Granny out of the equation.
If VOX can be upfront and explain how they are able to offer such advertised saving, and be transparent with regards the costs from all avenues, then I might be able to make up my own mind ....
"Don't knock it until you try it".....I read elsewhere - not only is that statement complacent.....it is blind stupidity !!
Botty
"dont knock it before you try it" - how can you say that the statement is complacent or stupid, how do you know that the person behind the statement has not done all the necessary reasearch and is satisfied with the results?
If it is facts you want here are a few short pointers for more just visit my personal vox site listed in my signature.
1. Savings on the vox product are derived from 2 avenues, one is savings on calls the other is savings on rebates from received calls, with vox you receive a 20cents per minute rebate when being called from a Telkom line and 40cents per minute when being called from a cellphone.
2. National calls are about 20% cheaper than Telkom - Telkom charges 65c per minute and vox charges 50c per min, international calls Telkom charges 95c per minute and vox charges 48 cents per minute then there are those cellphone calls that Telkom charges us R1.89 for and vox only charges us R1.58 per minute, local calls are slightly more expensive than vox at 50c per minute but then again you can switch to a Telkom line for local calls if you wish by just dialing *9 on your phone and then there is the vox to vox rate of 15 cents per minute.
Are you seeing now where the savings are coming from ?
Incase you ask rebates come from a share of the profits, Telkom charges vox a X amount to connect to their network and in turn vox charges Telkom a X amount when connecting to the vox network hence when you receive a call Telkom gets charged X and you in turn receive a piece of that X profit the exact same applies to the cellphone networks.
Ok and the last thing I think I should mention is how much does somone get charged when calling a vox phone well from a Telkom line they get charged R1.07 cents if I am not mistaken but bear in mind that this is far cheaper than if someone called you to your cellphone, calls from cell networks are charged and the standard cellphone rate.
I hope this will answer some of those nagging points.
"dont knock it before you try it" - how can you say that the statement is complacent or stupid, how do you know that the person behind the statement has not done all the necessary reasearch and is satisfied with the results?
If it is facts you want here are a few short pointers for more just visit my personal vox site listed in my signature.
1. Savings on the vox product are derived from 2 avenues, one is savings on calls the other is savings on rebates from received calls, with vox you receive a 20cents per minute rebate when being called from a Telkom line and 40cents per minute when being called from a cellphone.
2. National calls are about 20% cheaper than Telkom - Telkom charges 65c per minute and vox charges 50c per min, international calls Telkom charges 95c per minute and vox charges 48 cents per minute then there are those cellphone calls that Telkom charges us R1.89 for and vox only charges us R1.58 per minute, local calls are slightly more expensive than vox at 50c per minute but then again you can switch to a Telkom line for local calls if you wish by just dialing *9 on your phone and then there is the vox to vox rate of 15 cents per minute.
Are you seeing now where the savings are coming from ?
Incase you ask rebates come from a share of the profits, Telkom charges vox a X amount to connect to their network and in turn vox charges Telkom a X amount when connecting to the vox network hence when you receive a call Telkom gets charged X and you in turn receive a piece of that X profit the exact same applies to the cellphone networks.
Ok and the last thing I think I should mention is how much does somone get charged when calling a vox phone well from a Telkom line they get charged R1.07 cents if I am not mistaken but bear in mind that this is far cheaper than if someone called you to your cellphone, calls from cell networks are charged and the standard cellphone rate.
I hope this will answer some of those nagging points.
"dont knock it before you try it" - how can you say that the statement is complacent or stupid
Well here is perhaps the reasoning:
What has "trying it" got to do with "Price evaluation", Why try it?? calculating price needs a calculator "Trying it" has everything to do with quality of service and the simple matter of does it work? So why try it to establish if its beneficial? (there is no QOS I know of, with good ol' ADSL no matter how good the alternate telco systems are this would be the "chink" ) So I would work out on paper the pricing vs my average telco behaviour etc etc taking which routes I call the most and who needs to call me, blaaa de blaa fishpaste.
Another reason its not exactly a clever statement:
How about: I have sex with a "near stranger" who possibly carries the AIDS virus, but I run along for a quick shower straight after and have a nice rinse, this really works for me. "Dont knock it till you try it."
Dumb schmuck: Oh ok cool, that sure saves me the price of a condom............add that up over a week and I can use that to subsidise my Telecoms costs!!
Lets get down to some real Rands and "sense" shall we?
Well here is perhaps the reasoning:
What has "trying it" got to do with "Price evaluation", Why try it?? calculating price needs a calculator "Trying it" has everything to do with quality of service and the simple matter of does it work? So why try it to establish if its beneficial? (there is no QOS I know of, with good ol' ADSL no matter how good the alternate telco systems are this would be the "chink" ) So I would work out on paper the pricing vs my average telco behaviour etc etc taking which routes I call the most and who needs to call me, blaaa de blaa fishpaste.
Another reason its not exactly a clever statement:
How about: I have sex with a "near stranger" who possibly carries the AIDS virus, but I run along for a quick shower straight after and have a nice rinse, this really works for me. "Dont knock it till you try it."
Dumb schmuck: Oh ok cool, that sure saves me the price of a condom............add that up over a week and I can use that to subsidise my Telecoms costs!!
Lets get down to some real Rands and "sense" shall we?
Putty - lol youre funny man
the "dont know it before you try it" was actually earlier in the thread in response to QOS having tried the phone from several different locations
IE from friends houses the result has been the same - excellent and at R49 bucks per month which is a steers burger or two its good value.
Think of it this way - how much fuss is made when taking out a cellphone contract and being tied to it for two years just because you
can get a lekker phone, most folks don't think twice they just take the contract and suffer later so why penny pinch or do such deep dooda
research on something that will a) Cost you less monthly b) If you are wise allow you to save c)hey if you dont like it send it back, theres no
contract if you're not happy.
Having done the rands and cents calculations I am convinced there is a substantial savings but then every individual would need
probably need to calculate this for themselves.
the "dont know it before you try it" was actually earlier in the thread in response to QOS having tried the phone from several different locations
IE from friends houses the result has been the same - excellent and at R49 bucks per month which is a steers burger or two its good value.
Think of it this way - how much fuss is made when taking out a cellphone contract and being tied to it for two years just because you
can get a lekker phone, most folks don't think twice they just take the contract and suffer later so why penny pinch or do such deep dooda
research on something that will a) Cost you less monthly b) If you are wise allow you to save c)hey if you dont like it send it back, theres no
contract if you're not happy.
Having done the rands and cents calculations I am convinced there is a substantial savings but then every individual would need
probably need to calculate this for themselves.
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"but then every individual would need probably need to calculate this for themselves."
Fair comment. I do think however the "seller" should be assisting "the client" through the labyrinth every step of the way, filling in the blanks and justifying the cost savings based on actual usage over the past 3 months after all, this is the treatment the small Corporate would get (although they get better discount) Its not good enough anymore to put up a Web page, dangle a carrot or two and a deep discounted microwave oven from Joshua Door................! The consumer actually requires more hand holding through this pricing model. Im sure this will help the sales closing rate.
"Putty - lol youre funny man"
Thank you for the compliment, Ive got more...............but I charge per minute "pre-paid" for that. Heee heee.!
Fair comment. I do think however the "seller" should be assisting "the client" through the labyrinth every step of the way, filling in the blanks and justifying the cost savings based on actual usage over the past 3 months after all, this is the treatment the small Corporate would get (although they get better discount) Its not good enough anymore to put up a Web page, dangle a carrot or two and a deep discounted microwave oven from Joshua Door................! The consumer actually requires more hand holding through this pricing model. Im sure this will help the sales closing rate.
"Putty - lol youre funny man"
Thank you for the compliment, Ive got more...............but I charge per minute "pre-paid" for that. Heee heee.!
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Scooby_Doo
Honorary Master
I think this service is looking at attracting people who already have an adsl line installed, don't think the benifits feature if you don't want or need adsl at home for data. So saying that the adsl line should be included in the calculation of the total monthly cost maybe unfair.
Scooby_Doo
I agree its a excellent product for people already on ADSL or spending in excess of R400 per month on their phone bill and there are many of those around believe it or not the I think the real major worth would be for small to medium sized business.
Vox has products for those not on ADSL too like the free / pay as you go dial up launching between now and January and there are a few rumors about that they will eventually start their own cellular service something like what Virgin is doing but dont
take my word for it like a say just a rumor.
Putty I will be putting a few calculations on my site to illustrate the cost savings
but I can tell you that everytime I now pick up my vox phone there is almost a small
relief knowing that I am saving or not paying as much for the national, cell or international call I am about to make apposed to Telkoms pricing model which is great feeling.
I agree its a excellent product for people already on ADSL or spending in excess of R400 per month on their phone bill and there are many of those around believe it or not the I think the real major worth would be for small to medium sized business.
Vox has products for those not on ADSL too like the free / pay as you go dial up launching between now and January and there are a few rumors about that they will eventually start their own cellular service something like what Virgin is doing but dont
take my word for it like a say just a rumor.
Putty I will be putting a few calculations on my site to illustrate the cost savings
but I can tell you that everytime I now pick up my vox phone there is almost a small
relief knowing that I am saving or not paying as much for the national, cell or international call I am about to make apposed to Telkoms pricing model which is great feeling.
"but I can tell you that everytime I now pick up my vox phone there is almost a small
relief knowing that I am saving or not paying as much for the national, cell or international call I am about to make apposed to Telkoms pricing model which is great feeling."
Still its a real Pity then that I get the "titanic sinking feeling" when I have to call you on your Vox 087 number however! You wont be hearing from me for a while......well here but not on the phone
Oh one last thing your comment " Having done the rands and cents calculations I am convinced there is a substantial savings......."
You would, lets be fair about this, your are a reseller. Im nowhere near convinced this is good for the consumer, definitely not the ones calling you. Its like "stealing from Peter to pay Paul " only this time within the legal Telco regulations and parameters as set out by our esteemed Authority. Go figure.
Please tell me I dont have a point.
relief knowing that I am saving or not paying as much for the national, cell or international call I am about to make apposed to Telkoms pricing model which is great feeling."
Still its a real Pity then that I get the "titanic sinking feeling" when I have to call you on your Vox 087 number however! You wont be hearing from me for a while......well here but not on the phone
Oh one last thing your comment " Having done the rands and cents calculations I am convinced there is a substantial savings......."
You would, lets be fair about this, your are a reseller. Im nowhere near convinced this is good for the consumer, definitely not the ones calling you. Its like "stealing from Peter to pay Paul " only this time within the legal Telco regulations and parameters as set out by our esteemed Authority. Go figure.
Please tell me I dont have a point.
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Putty its a pity you wont phone me especially since its cheaper phoning me from your Telkom phone than phoning anyone on a cell phone oh and if you phone me from a cell the price is exactly the same as phoning any other cellular number holder
Yes I am a dealer for Vox but if I did not believe in the product or in the savings it can produce then I would not be selling it, this is one of the first lessons a sales person / marketer learns IE if you would not use the product yourself then why bother selling something you don't believe in, heck I even got one of the phones for myself and my businesses which is not a requirement for dealers and above that I have a few other businesses with good reputations and have staff I need to pay every month so why would I ruin those or my reputation for that sake of selling a voip phone?
Yes I am a dealer for Vox
but if I did not believe in the product or in the savings it can produce then I would not be selling it, this is one of the first lessons a sales person / marketer learns IE if you would not use the product yourself then why bother selling something you don't believe in, heck I even got one of the phones for myself and my businesses which is not a requirement for dealers and above that I have a few other businesses with good reputations and have staff I need to pay every month so why would I ruin those or my reputation for that sake of selling a voip phone?
rwenzori
Honorary Master
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=1343345&postcount=20
I suggest checking the credentials before calling this dealer.
I suggest checking the credentials before calling this dealer.
A NEW company??
"Thank you for your comments. Vox has just launched, and we are in the process of gathering feedback from current and potential customers and dealers in order to refine our offering. We ask people to bear with us in the initial phase and continue to provide us with constructive comments. Please direct any specific questions or comments to [email protected]."
You gotta be kidding. I chased Vox away from my site about a year ago and that after we negotiated a deal for about a year. A waste of time. My dealings with Orion have always been smooth, hopefully Vox doesnt rub off on them.
I have no issues with Datapro, but Vox? Never again.
"Thank you for your comments. Vox has just launched, and we are in the process of gathering feedback from current and potential customers and dealers in order to refine our offering. We ask people to bear with us in the initial phase and continue to provide us with constructive comments. Please direct any specific questions or comments to [email protected]."
You gotta be kidding. I chased Vox away from my site about a year ago and that after we negotiated a deal for about a year. A waste of time. My dealings with Orion have always been smooth, hopefully Vox doesnt rub off on them.
I have no issues with Datapro, but Vox? Never again.
rwenzori
You are obviously some sort of competition either in hosting or in vox,
I have nothing to hide, I have not spamed or have made any shady / untrue claims , I am happy for anyone to give me a phone call and promise not to use my brainwash rays during the conversation.
as far as I am concerned you are probably some 19 year old kid
who does not understand that there can be consequences to his
actions.
You are obviously some sort of competition either in hosting or in vox,
I have nothing to hide, I have not spamed or have made any shady / untrue claims , I am happy for anyone to give me a phone call and promise not to use my brainwash rays during the conversation.
as far as I am concerned you are probably some 19 year old kid
who does not understand that there can be consequences to his
actions.
rwenzori
Honorary Master
LOL! Attempted personal insults won't win you friends here. And no, I am not a 19 year old kid who yadda yadda whatever. Don't threaten me - I know what I say and I probably have forgotten more law than you ever knew. Alternatively, bring it on, bring it on, pal! LOLLERS!
Oh, and I am in no competition with you. I do look after a nice big Vox corporate account though.
rwenzori
Honorary Master
Quote those that are untrue and I'll respond. Paid your R50 yet?
"Savings on the vox product are derived from 2 avenues, one is savings on calls the other is savings on rebates from received calls, with vox you receive a 20cents per minute rebate when being called from a Telkom line and 40cents per minute when being called from a cellphone. "
I think this behaviour is disgusting. Why not just lower the interconnection rate so people without ADSL or Vox can call an 087 number at the same rate as calling another Telkom line.
Personally I think this is a "rip off scheme" of the highest order. I dont find it innovative and once the general public know more about it Im sure they will feel the same.
I think Vox is out of order, fueling this fire. (you are welcome to draw your own conclusions) Its skinning the innocent caller and rewarding the receiver who has their 087 numbers (20c PER MINUTE AND 40c PER MINUTE "REWARD", Its like a frikking bounty hunter story) I think it SUCKS. ICASA should take a look at this. (When they put their teeth back in)
Offer an outgoing least cost routing service and provide cost savings if you will, no issue there.
This is no better than the way Telkom ripped off the public for so many years, they did it UPFRONT AND IN YOUR FACE, this is more cowardly and underhanded.
Got to run Im going to PUKE.!
I think this behaviour is disgusting. Why not just lower the interconnection rate so people without ADSL or Vox can call an 087 number at the same rate as calling another Telkom line.
Personally I think this is a "rip off scheme" of the highest order. I dont find it innovative and once the general public know more about it Im sure they will feel the same.
I think Vox is out of order, fueling this fire. (you are welcome to draw your own conclusions) Its skinning the innocent caller and rewarding the receiver who has their 087 numbers (20c PER MINUTE AND 40c PER MINUTE "REWARD", Its like a frikking bounty hunter story) I think it SUCKS. ICASA should take a look at this. (When they put their teeth back in)
Offer an outgoing least cost routing service and provide cost savings if you will, no issue there.
This is no better than the way Telkom ripped off the public for so many years, they did it UPFRONT AND IN YOUR FACE, this is more cowardly and underhanded.
Got to run Im going to PUKE.!