Vumatel sucks!

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FluffyT

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VUMATEL are a problem because they are too arrogant to see that they will kill themselves in the end when people realize that they are being fleeced!
 
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FluffyT said:
All well and good for those who can choose. We only have Vumatel in our area and they will not budge on price or packages. What happened to monopolistic laws??
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Vumatel do not provide the packages... they are merely an infrastructure provider, and they do not stop any other provider from laying infrastructure in your area.

Monopolistic laws do not unfortunately come into play in this instance.
 
All well and good for those who can choose. We only have Vumatel in our area and they will not budge on price or packages. Who granted the rights for the area to them in the first place? Was it tendered like many other jobs in this Country?
 
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Laying fiber is not cheap. Vumatel ran up a huge debt getting fiber to so many suburbs and cannot now afford to lower prices as their debt payments are so high. There is no monopoly. Any other fiber company is free to come to your suburb, they just probably won't as you get more money from being first in a suburb that being second as customers are then split between providers.
 
FluffyT said:
All well and good for those who can choose. We only have Vumatel in our area and they will not budge on price or packages. What happened to monopolistic laws??
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Might be prudent to move this thread.

In any case, LAWs are toothless by themselves. You need to basically drag them to court "in terms of LAW XX, Section A (b)". Even then, they can counter with "but but but, we have an open network - any ISP is allowed to sell our service". Also, remember that any company is still allowed to apply for the applicable wayleaves etc. and put fibre in the ground in the Vuma areas - not Vuma's fault that no one wants to. But that is expensive, hence why their competition would rather target non-Vuma areas.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Vumatel do not provide the packages... they are merely an infrastructure provider, and they do not stop any other provider from laying infrastructure in your area.

Monopolistic laws do not unfortunately come into play in this instance.
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"Vumatel do not provide the packages" - Yes but they lay down their price to the ISP's which is way above the other Fiber providers! The ISP's cannot reduce their costs if the provider doesn't reduce theirs.
 
FluffyT said:
"Vumatel do not provide the packages" - Yes but they lay down their price to the ISP's which is way above the other Fiber providers! The ISP's cannot reduce their costs if the provider doesn't reduce theirs.
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So?

Still not monopolistic as they do not prevent other providers laying infrastructure in your neighbourhood.
 
The other fibre providers suck for not laying infrastructure in your area..

What good would it do Vumatel to lower their line pricing in an area where they are the only provider with no other competition..?

They need to make back the money they spent laying down that infrastructure.. once they have done that, perhaps then they would lower the cost of their lines.. who knows..
 
Cius said:
Laying fiber is not cheap. Vumatel ran up a huge debt getting fiber to so many suburbs and cannot now afford to lower prices as their debt payments are so high. There is no monopoly. Any other fiber company is free to come to your suburb, they just probably won't as you get more money from being first in a suburb that being second as customers are then split between providers.
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I understand that laying is not cheap, but that argument apples to any other Company or business for that matter. Are Openserve's costs any less than Vumatel's? Any Company incurs debt in laying infrastructure but that has to be amortized over a period and it applies equally to anyone entering a business, so that excuse goes out the window. How do the other Fibre Providers find it possible to reduce prices by as much as 30% but Vumatel can't help their customers in any way at all?
 
FluffyT said:
All well and good for those who can choose. We only have Vumatel in our area and they will not budge on price or packages. What happened to monopolistic laws??
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Polymathic said:
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Being sarcastic and rude never got anyone anywhere! You obviously belong to the ELITE group of people who are not concerned about high prices, so good luck to you. Why should you care about anyone else!!
 
FluffyT said:
I understand that laying is not cheap, but that argument apples to any other Company or business for that matter. Are Openserve's costs any less than Vumatel's? Any Company incurs debt in laying infrastructure but that has to be amortized over a period and it applies equally to anyone entering a business, so that excuse goes out the window. How do the other Fibre Providers find it possible to reduce prices by as much as 30% but Vumatel can't help their customers in any way at all?
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I would guess Telkom is more cash flush and put some of their fiber down out of capital investment rather than financed with debt. Telkom's mobile and fixed line business still generates healthy cash flow for them so if they plowed that profit into new fiber they would be at a huge advantage over say Vumatel which is mainly a fiber provider and had to finance their whole operation from debt.
 
FluffyT said:
Being sarcastic and rude never got anyone anywhere! You obviously belong to the ELITE group of people who are not concerned about high prices, so good luck to you. Why should you care about anyone else!!
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you don't get the reference?
 
What ever the Vuma price or reason , It still remains a take it or leave it option left to those with no other Fibre option
 
This from Home Connect's website:

Vuma Fibre Reach

*LIMITED AREAS ONLY

Chatsworth, Phoenix, Mitchells Plain, Blue Downs, Grassy Park, Retreat,
Ekhurulenhi, Clayville, Vosloorus, Windmill Park, Mofolo North, Mofolo South,
Dobdonville, Orlando West, Moroka, Dlamini, Dube

Pricing:

R378

20Mbps Download
10Mbps Upload

R488

40Mbps Download
10Mbps Upload


Valid for 28 days

Free Fibre Installation and Activation*

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And then for areas outside of Vuma
Reach we get ripped off!
 
Vumatel does suck!
My download speed has gone from 100mbps to 0.25mbps and the only response I can get from Afrihost is, "escalated to vumatel"...."escalated to vumatel".
I can't publish my work because I need to download a bunch of very big updates first.

It just feels so consequences free for everyone, except me.
 
Dravoc said:
Vumatel does suck!
My download speed has gone from 100mbps to 0.25mbps and the only response I can get from Afrihost is, "escalated to vumatel"...."escalated to vumatel".
I can't publish my work because I need to download a bunch of very big updates first.

It just feels so consequences free for everyone, except me.
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Sorry sir we are escalating your ticket
 
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