hj2k_x
Honorary Master
That is why one or two or even 10 vuvuzelas per stadium are fine and add to the atmosphere. If every idiot has one, it is horrible.
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I don't mind vuvuzelas, in fact I love them, but too much of everything is bad, and now we have too much of vuvuzelas.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
He's too obbsessed with the dark *cough*
Hopefully they stop that stupid "stop racism" campaign crap too. We came to watch soccer not players make speeches ffs. Not to mention the hypocrisy of having it in a country where the racism is supported in the constitution. They did the the same thing in Euro 2008 with Aragones in the dugout and IIRC he called Henry a black monkey.
LancelotSA
Banned
The vuvuzela has been a part of South African football for as long as I can remember... I really do question the gall of these European teams coming to our land and dictating what noise we can and can't make at our soccer stadiums. Do you think they'd humour us for even one second if we took offence to their singing at games and told them to stop?
Another pathetic argument put forward by European viewers is that they cannot hear the commentary. That is rather peculiar as I am sure we get the exact same English commentary and I have had no problem hearing! A simpler solution if they really find the sound offensive would be to simply turn down the effects microphones! Viva the Vuvuzela I say. When in Rome do as the Romans do!
EDIT : And in reading some other posts above I'd like to add that the European teams, Spain in particular, have probably had something to do with the increased use of vuvuzelas at the stadiums. Don't come out and insult a countries sporting customs, and say it "distracts" you and then expect them to remain quiet while you play the home team! Silly, silly.
Another pathetic argument put forward by European viewers is that they cannot hear the commentary. That is rather peculiar as I am sure we get the exact same English commentary and I have had no problem hearing! A simpler solution if they really find the sound offensive would be to simply turn down the effects microphones! Viva the Vuvuzela I say. When in Rome do as the Romans do!
EDIT : And in reading some other posts above I'd like to add that the European teams, Spain in particular, have probably had something to do with the increased use of vuvuzelas at the stadiums. Don't come out and insult a countries sporting customs, and say it "distracts" you and then expect them to remain quiet while you play the home team! Silly, silly.
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Your memory is limited to less than a decade :erm:
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
That last paragraph has not strengthened your argument. It is NOT a South African custom at all.
LancelotSA
Banned
WB
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Well if we are going to be pedantic it is more like 19 years.... and yes, prior to this I do not have much recall of soccer - you can probably thank apartheid for that.
"Originally made out of tin, the vuvuzela became popular in South Africa in the 1990s."
Glad to see some of you haven't lost your arguing for the sake of arguing mentality!
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
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Well if we are going to be pedantic it is more like 19 years.... and yes, prior to this I do not have much recall of soccer - you can probably thank apartheid for that.
"Originally made out of tin, the vuvuzela became popular in South Africa in the 1990s."
Glad to see some of you haven't lost your arguing for the sake of arguing mentality!
Wow, a wiki reference - it must be true, then.
Not arguing for the sake of arguing. Arguing because people don't know what they are talking about. African tradition? Don't make me laugh.
LancelotSA
Banned
Feel free to go to any local soccer match and ask them about the vuvuzela... you seem to only be satisfied if you get your information from the source. Be sure to report back after confiscating all the vuvuzelas. To correct you, I did clearly state South African custom, not African. They are two different places, you can confirm that on wiki too!
And while we are being picky, please ensure you don't misquote me. I said it was a custom, not a tradition. They are vastly different terms!
Now the use of a vuvuzela is clearly a practice followed by people of a particular group!
And as for your little snipe about wiki, go and preach to someone else. I am fully aware of what wiki is and am more than satisfied to use it after checking the references given.
And please also feel free to provide me with your own, clearly in your opinion more accurate, version of the history of the vuvuzela.
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hj2k_x
Honorary Master
Feel free to go to any local soccer match and ask them about the vuvuzela... you seem to only be satisfied if you get your information from the source. Be sure to report back after confiscating all the vuvuzelas. To correct you, I did clearly state South African custom, not African. They are two different places, you can confirm that on wiki too!
And while we are being picky, please ensure you don't misquote me. I said it was a custom, not a tradition. They are vastly different terms!
Now the use of a vuvuzela is clearly a practice followed by people of a particular group!
And as for your little snipe about wiki, go and preach to someone else. I am fully aware of what wiki is and am more than satisfied to use it after checking the references given.
And please also feel free to provide me with your own, clearly in your opinion more accurate, version of the history of the vuvuzela.
Eish, I cannot believe I am so bored as to bother to reply to this nonsense and blatant bating, but why not?
Never mind Wiki being questionable as a source...
The Vuvuzela has not been around for more than ten years. It always used to be an actual KUDU horn which one or a few people in a stadium would have and blow on.
As for misquoting, it has to actually be misquoting. I did not quote you as saying it was a custom or a tradition - I was making a general comment. It is neither, by the way.
The numbers should be limited. It is as simple as that.
LancelotSA
Banned
Just got reminded of what some of the people on this forum are like, and why you were never one of my favourites...
If I recall it was your, if memory serves me, initial calls of being "baited" and "picked on" that resulted in me leaving this forum in the first place, and yet here you are immediately trying to get into a slinging match with me when I choose to post my opinion on this thread. My post what not in response to anyone and it was my opinion alone... it was you that then chose to question my opinion. Who is baiting who again? Your very first sentence could well be construed as a personal attack - "pathetic indeed", to directly quote you.
If you are bored find someone else to play with...
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
*yawn
As I said, welcome back.
I remember you as always having a positive attitude when it came to things South African, but that got blurred by how you behaved just prior to leaving. I remember it well now.
Anyway, you keep on blowing that Vuvuzela there. Clearly, you are not alone
LancelotSA
Banned
You call my supposed recall of only 8 years pathetic, yet yours appears to suffer even when thinking back a couple of months.... there was no blurring caused by my behaviour at all.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
My memory of you was blurred. You cannot say what did and did not blur my memory
Yes, a recall of 8 years is pathetic. That is the whole problem with people advocatiing the vuvuzela - they speak of it as if it as if it has been around for ever and really is some African or South African tradition or custom. So speaking out against it, is automatically anti-African and racist. It is really a sad state of affairs, because the premise upon which this argument is based is simply incorrect. It does not get any simpler than that.
LancelotSA
Banned
My memory of you was blurred. You cannot say what did and did not blur my memory
Yes, a recall of 8 years is pathetic. That is the whole problem with people advocatiing the vuvuzela - they speak of it as if it as if it has been around for ever and really is some African or South African tradition or custom. So speaking out against it, is automatically anti-African and racist. It is really a sad state of affairs, because the premise upon which this argument is based is simply incorrect. It does not get any simpler than that.
It appears some things do get simpler......
hj2k, do you even read what you type? You are the one that was kind enough to confirm that initially a kudo horn was used, which was stated in my wonderful wiki quote I'll have you know. Now if you had delved a bit deeper you would have found, strangely enough, that the kudu horn was not used at a soccer match the very first time it was blown. No, in fact it was used to call villagers to meetings in tribal villages.
Now of course with progress comes change and eventually tin horns were used for the same purpose. This could also have been as a result of a number of conservationists objecting to all the kudus walking around without horns! Now of course, and this is an assumption, at some point someone obviously thought about blowing the tin horn/kudo horn at a soccer match... and so it appears the CUSTOM developed! Yes, it may have been one person at first but soon it caught on. So at what point you decide it became a custom is for you and I to argue. My reference says the early 90's, your opinion says 8 years ago! So as a matter of interest, what is the time scale you feel needs to pass before something can become a custom? You seem to have a definite idea in this regard.
Further to this, the blowing of the horn (whether a kudu horn or a vuvuzela) is said the chase baboons, or in fact even kill a baboon, when blown. Some say that this resulted in fans using it to "kill" the baboons in the opposition team by blowing their horns when their team was ahead. Yes, this is all speculation but is all "folk lore" not based on a bit of story telling and speculation.
Would you be accepting of the use of "horns" if everyone was blowing on a real kudo horn? Would this make it traditional enough for you?
Do you think the All Blacks were the first to do the haka? I think you'll find it was done off the rugby field at first. After a while it became a custom, or tradition if you will.
hj2k_x
Honorary Master
What on earth do you mean, do I read what I type? Come now, get serious.
The point is, that every single person in the stadium aimlessly blowing on the damn things all mathc long is not a tradition or custom of any kind. It is a marketing ploy by some clever Chinese company - a way to sell millions of cheap to make pieces of plastic to the masses.
If everyone had a kudu horn, there would not be any kudu left. This is why only one or two people had them originally - because they were not readily available, as they are now - unfortunately.
feo
Honorary Master
Welcome back LancelotSA..
Mind telling me when exactly the vuvuzela started being blown in SA at soccer matches?
I'm not into local soccer so I wouldn't know..
Mind telling me when exactly the vuvuzela started being blown in SA at soccer matches?
I'm not into local soccer so I wouldn't know..