Web Intact (Or intactless service)

I would just like to clear some info up, of the above post I made, although most of the info I posted is correct as I experienced it, I would like to note however, it seems the bt ports have opened up a bit, I am encrypting the data flow so that just incase they are using port filtering, however, I chose a torrent which has more than 3000 seeders and thousands more thats leeching it, and I have a 192k connection from GWI, that should be a maximum of 24 kilobytes a second.... i'm getting 5kBytes/sec, and only this one encrypted torrent is downloading.

Now..... lets take in account the massive packet loss, and lets say the Cisco router I have was made in Zimbabwe.... along with the Gigabit Switches and NICs, its still wouldnt explain me using not 20% of the full network speed....


If there is someone who can give me a valid explanation, I will eat humble pie.
 
....the defence rises....

Hi there - let me say firstly that in my 15+ years of electronic, computer and networking experience gained after studying a 'proper' university course (CCNA is very much beginner level compared to the qualifications and experience we have available at GWI NOC - and you haven't completed it...), I have found someone who claims a 'bit of knowledge' about something to be dangerous in areas where more than a 'bit of knowledge' is required.
"knowing a bit about 802.11 standards and networking"
In fact, in technical circles it has been distilled to an acronym - ALBOKIADT, kind of like PEBUK, and also exists as many article and document titles...

So - to respond to your allegations that "most of their admins and technicians dont know how to work the systems" - I believe you are making wild accusations purely to illicit a response. Guess what? It worked... and guess what else? Your 'little bit of knowledge' has let you down already!

Now I've got that off my chest, let's try and sort your problem out -

You speak about fresnel:
How did you measure the clearance, how did you calculate it, and what was your result?
You can't just aim with your thumb and go "hmmm... looks ok... must be ok..."

Now the quality of your connection - you speak about 'massive packet loss' and your connection 'failing every 15 minutes'.
This often happens with clients who go the DIY route... and end up connecting to the back of a sector, connecting to a site too far away, connecting to their own indoor wireless units that are also causing their own interference; not really getting it right and ending up having a really bad experience.

Between what points have you identified this packet loss? Are you 100% sure it's not due to your DIY project, resulting in a sub-standard connection to the tower? As you say - by the sounds of things, it's your connection to the tower...

One installation does not make you experienced - but hundreds do.
Most of our installers are just that - installers. They have done many, many wireless 'point & shoot' connections, and although they are mostly not networking experts, they do have a pretty good feel for what will work and what won't on the wireless side.

Your ridiculing of their abilities is like making fun of a Telkom ADSL technician's inability to configure a Server or Cisco router - so what? That's not their job, and they're not expected to know how to do it either. They are only expected to drill neat holes, run cables neatly & try not to fall off their ladder doing it.

And about us using MikroTik? Again - so what? It works very well, has proved to be very stable (as an OS) and can do everything Cisco can do, and more... Just because it's based on a Linux kernel, doesn't make it any less powerful or reliable... There are many ISP's around the world using MT exclusively, or using it to compliment their networks to make up for Cisco's inadequacies...

And shaping - yes yes and for the 100th time yes, as has been mentioned many times right here in this thread. If you cared to do your research properly before standing up and shouting the odds, you wouldn't sound so silly. Maybe they have a job for you in Parliament, as by the sounds of things, people like that thrive there...

We do NOT 'shape' ftp - that would be ridiculously foolish of us.
We do, however, 'shape' p2p. It's actually not shaped, but routed via a low-cost (to us), low-priority gateway; and is not and never has been guaranteed. This 'shaping' employs an equal-sharing-amongst-users policy, and you get whatever's available for p2p. If there are 100's of users busy downloading to their heart's content, then you are lumped in with the rest of them and get your fair share, whether you use encrypted mode or not.

If p2p is an essential requirement, then you may purchase a public ('real Internet') IP, and you will not go through any of the 'shaping' policies.


...pass the pie...
 
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Torrent on Global Web Intact

Signed up yesterday and got online last night. So var 128k is nice for me and the only thing I would like to still get up is Bit Torrent. Tried it last night, but it can't get an incoming connection so I can't use bit torrent.

Any chance of helping out a bit here "Web Intact". Am I doing something wrong or will it just not work on a 128k line?
 
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kwaggawerner said:
I would like to note however, it seems the bt ports have opened up a bit, I am encrypting the data flow so that just incase they are using port filtering, however, I chose a torrent which has more than 3000 seeders and thousands more thats leeching it, and I have a 192k connection from GWI, that should be a maximum of 24 kilobytes a second.... i'm getting 5kBytes/sec, and only this one encrypted torrent is downloading.

Web Intact said:
We do, however, 'shape' p2p. It's actually not shaped, but routed via a low-cost (to us), low-priority gateway; and is not and never has been guaranteed. This 'shaping' employs an equal-sharing-amongst-users policy, and you get whatever's available for p2p. If there are 100's of users busy downloading to their heart's content, then you are lumped in with the rest of them and get your fair share, whether you use encrypted mode or not.
 
And the saga continuous. Just take it as it comes. At the end of the day you chose to go with a wisp, deal with it.
 
Web Intact,

I know you are not shaping it and so forth but I just want to know how I can get an incoming connection. If it is not possible please just tell me as I have not seen any specific answer or how to on this. I don't mind if it is not possible, it would just be convenient to download linux distro's with torrent rather than a download manager.
 
Well...

And the saga continuous. Just take it as it comes. At the end of the day you chose to go with a wisp, deal with it.

You are right, I have to deal with them.... but the thing is, they are just about the only guys I can get a reception on, they are also the only WISP this side of PTA. I got their contact details through their hardware wholesalers (Miro), and my buddy said I must try them, I phoned, and what I heard was awesome, I'm willing to R550 for 192 uncapped a month.... it all sounded so good, but the thing is, its not, I know ISP's and escpecialli WISP have massive amount of problems to deal with, hardeware, software, other ISP's & WISP's, clients, the list goes on.and I hope "Web Intact" hears me out this time, istead of being all defensive, btw thats not good client relations, but I'm not posting this to pick a fight, I want to stay with GWI, all I am pi$$ed off about it the poor service I received from day 1, poor connection, a "installer" came out, fiddled with the antenna, said it works, took my money and left, without checking the other hardware, i.e router, pppoe problems, tower problems, esc.... and I came to this thread, hoping the one guy that works for them, can help me out, and on top of that try to atleast help a client out, and keep the client, but ya..... previous posts have made my point.

So, " Web Intact", my apologies for making bloated statements in my previous posts. But I hope other prospective customers can read your reply....
 
Web Intact,

I know you are not shaping it and so forth but I just want to know how I can get an incoming connection. If it is not possible please just tell me as I have not seen any specific answer or how to on this. I don't mind if it is not possible, it would just be convenient to download linux distro's with torrent rather than a download manager.

You can't get an incoming connection without a public IP, full stop. Downloading, however is possible using encrypted mode on p2p clients.

kwaggawerner said:
So, " Web Intact", my apologies for making bloated statements in my previous posts. But I hope other prospective customers can read your reply....

Apology appreciated, and in turn I apologise for my defensive reaction.

If you have a complaint against an agent, please formalise it by alerting either [email protected], or our sales director at [email protected].
Agents earn a portion of your subscription as a monthly recurring commission which is intended to cover any maintenance callouts they may receive from their clients. If they are not servicing their clients at an acceptable standard, then we move the client to an agent who can, and they lose their commission. You can change as many times as you like until you are satisfied with the level of service & expertise.
We use this kind of 'distributed support' model for a more 'personal' point of contact. Basic problems can be sorted out by the salesman in most cases. Our call center deals with 'first level' issues primarily, and also the escalated, more complicated network related issues.

WiFi (unlicensed spectrum) is a noisy environment to be in, and as you say, it is a constant battle keeping the network running optimally, and we actively monitor and maintain it to keep it running as well as it can.

The bottom line is that it IS a good deal, but not as smooth a ride as operators using licensed spectrum. The good news is that we are steadily moving sites over to the 2.5GHz spectrum, and eventually we won't have any of the related problems we are currently facing.

We make a tiny margin as profit for the company, as do other ISP's like Mweb. Do you know they only make about R20 of an entry-level ADSL account as profit? One support call & that's gone... It's a cut-throat business, and we're ALL waiting for the day that bandwidth prices drop even more in SA.
 
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Strange - I got an email notification with the full text - save yrself some typing:

kwaggawerner said:
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Alright. I spoke to a guy this morning from GWI

He told me how to get the whole torrent thing working, firstly, get BitSpirit, I know its most likely not what you are used to, but thenagain, some changes are good for you, once installed (and rebooted, to allow the tcpip patch to work) go to Options -> Preferences -> Proxy & NAT Traversal -> The "Enable NAT Traversal" option must be set to "Enable", and the "Optimize for NAT....." must also be ticked.Then go to Network Options, The Max inbound & outbound per job must be set to 180, and the anti-freeze option ticked. What I did addionally, If your router supports UPNP, enable it, I know that is opening a big security risk, but thenagain, being permanently connection to the web, is also a risk. I also disabled the Windows Firewall completely (If you havent already done so, I see, even if you allow the connections, it will still reduce your torrent downstreams by, well, 100%)

So far, it is downloading successfully, perhaps not at the 4mbit speeds I'm used to, but thenagain, I switched ISP's.... and packages...

P.S If you want to download linux distro's, I suggest you get a app like Free Download Manager, and then download through FTP, go to www.distrowatch.org, get the flavour of linux you want, and then search for a ftp server that has a fast link, alternatively, go to ftp.is.co.za and get a flavour there. In my opinion, and I think 'Web Intact' will agree with me, in general, there arent too many users using ftp on a daily basis, so you will be able to use YOUR entire connection speed to download the distro you want (my line is 192k, and whatever distro I grab, its downloading at 24+kbytes, which is the full speed of my package...

But if you want full dht connectivity, get a public ip, I'm actually gonna apply for one, since the second package I'm gonna open with GWI is for vpn, and a ftp server on the side for personal use...

Anyway. I hope your get your torrents working.

P.S Start praying that Telkom will reduce prices, and evenmore upgrade their equipment to be able to handle 100mbit connections for the end-user, like in The Netherlands and Japan.... lol
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And the IS ftp suggestion is a good one for Linux distros... It's almost always fast...
 
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I see that my connection tends to "blow away" every once in a while, for about 20 - 30 seconds.... My Signal is at 31% with the 31db Grid.... and its O.K....

or, its the wind. lol....

Is there a way I can minimise this minor irritation.....

The other connection I have is about the same distance as wapadrand2, and the signal is at -75.... I see that its contant though....
 
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The bottom line is that it IS a good deal, but not as smooth a ride as operators using licensed spectrum. The good news is that we are steadily moving sites over to the 2.5GHz spectrum, and eventually we won't have any of the related problems we are currently facing.

When you have made the change whats gonna happen to your existing clients, because where going to have to change our equipment. Who's gonna carry the cost of such a rollover. :confused:
 
When you have made the change whats gonna happen to your existing clients, because where going to have to change our equipment. Who's gonna carry the cost of such a rollover. :confused:

Grant the GWI sales manager tole me they will replace our old with new equipments free of charge
 
Worthwhile or not?

I've read the forums here, but not sure if I must get this webintact. Is it really worthwhile getting it? Coz with this forums it sounds rough:confused:
 
I see that my connection tends to "blow away" every once in a while, for about 20 - 30 seconds.... My Signal is at 31% with the 31db Grid.... and its O.K....

or, its the wind. lol....

Is there a way I can minimise this minor irritation.....

The other connection I have is about the same distance as wapadrand2, and the signal is at -75.... I see that its contant though....

I take it you have two setups using different equipment? One reading signal strength in %, and the other in dB?
 
I take it you have two setups using different equipment? One reading signal strength in %, and the other in dB?

Wel, Its like this, I have a 31db Vertically Polarized Grid, (Wapadrand 2 is also vertical) long range multi client bridge (Senao) [200 mw], connected to a linksys router/bridge/AP/Switch.... I.O.W, it also has the dd-wrt firmware, the AP is used for a few PC's... the switch runs to another switch, the two switches run at 100mbits transmit & 100mbits receive, iow 200mbit (Which is a bit overkill), which in turn is connected to my PC...

So which is important to you, is the router, and bridge. I spoke to a my 'branch' again today, and the guy said he can see my signal at -77. Yet, every fourth or so packet, is a timeout. 'Web Instact', i'm hoping you can help me, or atleast give me something that I can use to atleast minimise the pppoe from disconnecting due to the timeouts.

Thanks bud
 
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