Webafrica complete ADSL - Should I cancel?

Mike.S30

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Afternoon peeps

I am looking for some advice from those of you with more telecoms experience.

I would like to qualify that I only just got back into SA from the UK, so my understanding of the "challenges" facing adsl in SA was limited at the time.

Before I started the whole process I did a little bit of research to find a ISP that was seen to focus on great customer services. The name that kept o cropping up was Webafrica.

In the first week of Nov I phoned them up and asked about their ADSL complete packages and what was required for them. I was advised that all I needed was a active landline, and they would handle everything else once I placed the order. The timeline I was given (and is still given everytime I ask their sales team) was "Most of our customers are activated within 2 weeks, however due to delays on Telkoms side we do ask for 4-6 weeks"

On the 9 nov I placed my order for a landline with telkom. This is were everything started to go Pete Tong. Telkom initially advised me it would take 2 weeks (Y does everyone use this?). 6 Freaking weeks later I finally had a landline installed! This involved fighting with telkom 3 times a week for the last 3 weeks before final installation.

So... On the 14 dec I finally had an activated landline, and called webafrica and ordered their complete Bronce package. Again I was advised activation should take 2 weeks, but they ask for 4-6 weeks due to telkom delays.

I am now finishing off my 11'th week.

Since the 6'th week I have been chasing them about the line. They keep on telling me that there are no ports available.

Their front line customer services tell me:

1) There is nothing they can do to escalate the problem,
2) There is nothing they can do to find out when ports might be available,
3) There is nothing they can do about finding out how many ports are needed for that exchange
4) getting someone to actually phone you back when they promised they would has been a nightmare. Of the 3 officers who promised to come back to me, only 1 did. And that was just to re-iterate the above 3 points!
4) etc etc etc ad nauseum

At no stage did their sales people ever tell me that installations could drag on this long, and that I would be left helpless during the whole process.

Based on their initial 2 week estimate I had already spent R1700 on a router, plus my telkom bill is at R650+ for installation and monthly line rentals on a phone that I dont even use, as it was jsut for ADSL.

The last customer services officer I spoke to there, advised me that telkom prioritise their own customers first, and I should order my line via telkom then get back to them once the line had been activated.

The reason I wanted a Webfrica complete package in the first place was for first-rate customer services , and an ISP that would deal with telkom on my behalf to save me from their customer diss-services!!

What should I do? I cant hang on in limbo for eternity hoping that some port might eventually be assigned to me. Should I cancel with Webafrica and sign up with telkom direct?

I am loathe to cancel the whole line and go wireless as it would waste the R2300++, and 11 weeks, I have already spent. Is this my only solution for q reasonable signup period? I am a regular online gamer so a landline was my first choice.

Any help/info would be appreciated..
 
Webafrica

Call up Telkom and order the adsl service, should be connected in a day or two. For some reason Telkom does not want to provide adsl lines to private ISP's and their service is not bad as one thinks

Cheers
 
i had telkom come install the line and then told wa that i wanted thier complete package. they arranged with telkom to have the line switched over, i was however billed by both of them for a few months for an adsl line. after reopening the same call i logged with telkom a number of times (it had been closed without anyone contacting me) they eventually conceded and gave me i think a R200 refund and stopped billing me. whenever there is a fault with the line i end up having to talk to telkom to get the dslam port reset anyway so honestly i dont see any benefit in paying wa for my line. they are a great isp for bandwidth but the complete package is a waste of time imo
 
Hi

My apologies for the delay and mis information you received from Web Africa. Can you please provide me with your client code so that I may investigate in to this matter.
 
Call up Telkom and order the adsl service, should be connected in a day or two. For some reason Telkom does not want to provide adsl lines to private ISP's and their service is not bad as one thinks

Cheers
eishhhhhhh - they will install faster than you can say "anti-competitive"
 
Well I followed all your advice and contacted Telkom direct to order the ADSL. The exchange is adsl ready, but the line isnt..

Expected wait time for activation --- 6-8 weeks....

In real life time (as opposed to telskum time) this is another 12-16 weeks for activation.

As of this afternoon I have cancelled my request with Webafrica, and I will be cancelling the landline 2morow...

If I never have to deal with Webafrica or telkom again, it will be too soon!!!!!!! :mad: :sick:

I would like to thank those of you who attempted to help, and to WAvern for his assistance..

I guess I am going wireless :eek:

**edit** Expensive lesson - R2300 and 6 weeks for landline installation with another 12 weeks before giving up on the whole thing. At least I can sell off the router for SOME money back ;-(
 
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They keep on telling me that there are no ports available.

If I never have to deal with Webafrica or telkom again, it will be too soon!!!!!!! :mad: :sick:

um - not to be funny or anything dude, but um ... You do realise that there really is NOTHING WebAfrica can do to "open" or "make" ports available on your local DSLAM...right?ONLY Telkom can do that – no other company in SA are allowed to do that. Do you know what a 'port' is even?

Let me spell it out for you: Your ADSL line needs to be plugged into your area's DSLAM before it'll work. Like when you want to power a computer thats in a Room, you need to go and plug it into a Wall Socket. But this DSLAM/Room only have a limited number of Ports/Wall Sockets available. If they are full, they're full. Nothing you can do about it.

Now you are blaming Webafrica because there aint enough ports available at your DSLAM. Thats like Blaming the power company because you dont have enough wall sockets or blaming them because your plug broke - or something stupid like that.

Blame Telkom, not Webafrica ok. ;)

Good Luck with *going wireless* though :eek:
 
To Id13

You have apparently not fully read my post. You have taken text out of context to imply something I never said. Hopefully the below will clarify, with more substantial quotes to assist :cool:

Before I started the whole process I did a little bit of research to find a ISP that was seen to focus on great customer services. The name that kept o cropping up was Webafrica.

In the first week of Nov I phoned them up and asked about their ADSL complete packages and what was required for them. I was advised that all I needed was a active landline, and they would handle everything else once I placed the order. The timeline I was given (and is still given everytime I ask their sales team) was "Most of our customers are activated within 2 weeks, however due to delays on Telkoms side we do ask for 4-6 weeks".


I understand alot of people have had great experience with WA, this is why I went with them in the first place.

My issue is that I was never advised in the beginning of the whole schlep that this kind of issue is possible.. Not only is it possible but it seems from this forum that it is not even rare. I feel that their sales section should not have so blithely claimed they would have me fully online with 6 weeks even with telkom issues. I have randomly checked their sales people all through this process and they give the same information every time (i didnt advise them of my existing issues till after they gave me the 4-6 week estimate). Upon completing my 12 week of waiting for WA to provide me with a connection, WAverna assisted me in contacting Telkom direct to place a ADSL activation order (sans package). Telkom advised me they should have my line activated within 6-8 weeks. This being telkom I will generously say that the real time value would be 9-12 weeks.

This takes my total time for activation to 21-24 weeks. I would now be only half way through my waiting period effectively.

Webafrica know these issues exist, but failed to advise me. I am more clued up than the average Joe Schmoe, but even I was unaware of the extent of the issues involved. If I had gone into this with the awareness of the problem I would not have wasted my money on a router till I had my line fully activated. Then the time issue would have been manageable as I would have had less of a financial burden upon cancellation.

4) getting someone to actually phone you back when they promised they would has been a nightmare. Of the 3 officers who promised to come back to me, only 1 did. And that was just to re-iterate the above 3 points!
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I have worked in many service related industries from call centres, to customer support, to project management. Not phoning back a client who has issues is an unforgivable sin in my eyes. Even a call back to advise the client that you are continuing your efforts but no solution has been reached yet would have been acceptable.

I also have an issue with the fact that their system does not throw a flag on an account that is taking so long to activate. I had to chase them for 6 weeks. Why would I want a service provider who I have to chase? This is particularly irritating considering that their much vaunted customer services is the reason I went with them in the first place.

I didnt go for a bargain basement, price was not an issue. I went after the service provider that was widely reccomended as having the best customer services in the field.

I never blamed WA for the ports not being available. I am fully aware that is Telskum issue.

Their front line customer services tell me:

1) There is nothing they can do to escalate the problem,
2) There is nothing they can do to find out when ports might be available,
3) There is nothing they can do about finding out how many ports are needed for that exchange
4) getting someone to actually phone you back when they promised they would has been a nightmare. Of the 3 officers who promised to come back to me, only 1 did. And that was just to re-iterate the above 3 points!
4..

I, as a customer, had a problem. They had no solution. If you are "Service Provider" and cannot supply the service, then you are no use to the customer.

I blamed them for having horrific customer services. I understand many people have had different experiences, but I can only base my opinion on MY experiences. The technical issue was not their fault, I fully recognise that, their handling of me, the frustrated CUSTOMER, was shocking.
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*sigh* I am normally a very reasonable man, and I was very polite about the issue for the first 10 weeks or so. This is now one of the few, horrible topics that instantly cause me to spew forth. "Reason and sanity have taken a vacation, please leave your name and number after the beep" :p
 
I'll read and respond to the allegations made in the post(s) above .... sometime when I feel like it - and thats not now.
/me ninjas Mike.S30
/me greets the ninja'ed Mike.S30
Welcome to the MyADSL Forums! :D

;)
 
R1700 for a router boy did you get screwed , or did you buy some industrial cisco that is made from pure platinum and cleans house and cooks?

J
 
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