'We'll bring SA to a halt': Vavi

[flarkit]

Let's lower our production output and chase away the foreign investors, thereby crippling our chances of creating more jobs. That'll improve the unemployment and wages, VIVA!

We have the most idiotic labour representatives imaginable!

 

[CorneN]

Let's lower our production output and chase away the foreign investors, thereby crippling our chances of creating more jobs. That'll improve the unemployment and wages, VIVA!

We have the most idiotic labour representatives imaginable!

ACE! +1

 

[frontosa]

Let's lower our production output and chase away the foreign investors, thereby crippling our chances of creating more jobs. That'll improve the unemployment and wages, VIVA!

We have the most idiotic labour representatives imaginable!

+ 1 but it still doesnt sum them up well enough

 

[Nothxkbi]

I wonder how many companies have yet to buy off Vavi to make this stop? Holds the gun to the economy in exchange for bribes from rich corporates. Just one fatcat trying to rich off of the other.

 

[joy_Energiser]

Wow these guys are thick, don't they realise that the amount of time they strike for and don't earn money for the increase they are demanding will only balance out over years and years!
So in actual fact they are losing money that they will NEVER recover!!

On top of that they are damaging the economy.Agh, you know what, F.uck em, I just could not care less anymore.
The sad part is this
"Today, South Africa has surpassed Brazil, which used to be the leading country in the whole world when it came to inequality. Our struggle was not for this but for economic freedom."

So this only happened once the ANC came into power, they were literally better off during the aprtheid days.
Lol, how pathetic,carry on striking you low life greedy fools, destroy this country that you "fought" so hard to liberate.Morons

 

[kingdong]

Over the past year the salaries of executive directors at the Top 40 JSE companies have risen 23% and their short-term incentives 56%.
Over the period 2009 -2010 directors of Sasol and other petrochemical companies gave themselves 71 - 82% increases.
Government Director-Generals gave themselves 45% increases last financial year.

While the plebs [us] who do all the work and keep things going get a paltry 6% offering after much haggling.
Some sectors and big companies froze increases for their staff this year, while directors raked in massive gains.

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!

We are now in exactly the same situation as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and other revolutionary States.
The gap between the rich and poor in SA has surpassed Brazil. Right now, SA has the world's richest FAT CATS in terms of wage differentials.

Sadly most of these golf-playing, idle fat cats shun real work, innovate nothing and don't lead their companies.
They claim to have a right to these grossly inflated salaries, comparing their earnings to first world country positions in similar companies.
They loot the company coffers for the equivalent in Dollars, and not Rands. Hey, WE DON'T LIVE IN AMERICA or EUROPE!
WE LIVE IN AFRICA!

Us consumers have been at the short end of the stick for decades as a result.

- 200% Eskom electricity hikes
- 200% petrol increase in 5 years.
- High Priced Internet in contrast to other developing countries.
- 100% food increase over 4 years.
- SA cars still most expensive in world, yet produced here and shipped out to be sold cheaper elsewhere.
- and the list goes on.

HOPEFULLY THIS STRIKE IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF SA MONOPOLY RULE AND FOREIGN FAT CATS RAPING OUR WALLETS.
foreigners can take their foreign investment cash and stick it up their @sses. In the medium / long term their profits are
all sucked out of the country and their gains overseas, exceed their initial investments. They are nothing but leeches & parasites
on our economy.

This is NOT a ethnic war, it's a war for survival. The fact that Solidarity (a mostly conservative white union) joined in this
civil action with Cosatu and other mainly black unions against the greedy, proves that our common enemy in this country
is no longer right wing whites or left wing blacks, but GREED!

What Vavi has done is trigger the revolution, proving 'hot air' politicians and ANCYL demigods are powerless
against the people's power and actually don't have real power at all.

 

[DJ...]

"Yet directors of the top 20 companies on the JSE earn R59-million a year, which means they earn 1723 times the salary of a worker."

So? These are publicly listed companies who answer to shareholders - not to you. Besides, I don't see you distributing your massive wealth that you've accumulated over the past few years to the poor. Mr Vavi, what do you earn per month?

Labour brokers play an important role in our economy - Mr Vavi doesn't like them because they result in less Cosatu influence and mitigate the impact of strike action on employers.

Vavi, you are well and truly fscking up this country with your mass labour action. The fact that we now nonchalantly refer to this as "strike season" is downright pathetic. In other words, this has nothing to do with ACTUAL labour issues but rather a pre-organised flexing of your muscles. Disgusting...

 

[Alan]

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!

That's rather messy and unpleasant. How about just voting for another party instead of the ANC at the next election.

 

[DJ...]

We are now in exactly the same situation as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and other revolutionary States.

They have well and truly brainwashed you if you believe this. Those were political revolutions, so unless you're planning on a coup, this is far from an equatable situation.

Regarding directors' salaries - it's not a government company ffs - you cannot dictate to them what they can and can't earn - you cannot damn them for being successful. In fact it just means more money in government coffers as SARS take their increased share.

Once again Cosatu are laying the foundations for some form of nationalisation which will be to the detriment of "workers."

Please explain to me how imposing caps on directors of listed companies will in any way solve the employment crisis? It will only result in less investment in South Africa...

 

[flarkit]

Correct kingdong, the bosses have been raking in unfair increases and bonuses, when the workers are receiving small increases. That is why there companies should be using transparent annual reviewing methods, which calculate increases based on the company's annual profits as well as the workforce's achievements. IMO one can't simply expect large increases, due to the rising cost of living, with no concerns for the validity of the increases in terms of the efforts and achievements, based on proper, transparent reviews.

The solution isn't striking for more pay, but to find a means to enable profit-sharing based on the accepted contribution which each income-category makes toward the company's bottom line. It's not so hard, but yet we continue to bash heads like greedy goats, hurting the entire population in the process. That's completely ridiculous, because it damages the country far beyond the disputing sector.

 

[JungleBoy]

So? These are publicly listed companies who answer to shareholders - not to you. Besides, I don't see you distributing your massive wealth that you've accumulated over the past few years to the poor. Mr Vavi, what do you earn per month?

Labour brokers play an important role in our economy - Mr Vavi doesn't like them because they result in less Cosatu influence and mitigate the impact of strike action on employers.

Vavi, you are well and truly fscking up this country with your mass labour action. The fact that we now nonchalantly refer to this as "strike season" is downright pathetic. In other words, this has nothing to do with ACTUAL labour issues but rather a pre-organised flexing of your muscles. Disgusting...

I'm not so sure about that. Labour brokers basically are the middle men that contribute nothing but subtract from the workers' pockets the same as the pimps and madams do. Further more, a lot of these labour broker supplied workers get no employment benefits such as leave, pension, medical aid etc. The uncertainty in their work means that they are forever temporary, unprotected and vulnerable to abuse. I know some people who have worked for this one bank for more than 8 years and are still temp workers. That is not acceptable. What is even worse is that some of the biggest labour brokers are run by top ANC members hence they are dragging their feet on banning labour broking.

 

[DJ...]

I'm not so sure about that. Labour brokers basically are the middle men that contribute nothing but subtract from the workers' pockets the same as the pimps and madams do.

Au contraire. A labour broker has a larger client base ensuring there is work for those who choose to use their services. If Cosatu have such an issue with them, they (and their members) are welcome to use their constitutional rights to choose not to use their services. We have this beautiful democratic process that is not used when needed. Instead we land up with this situation. We have political problems in this country that will not be resolved by putting a band-aid on a broken leg...

 

[Nothxkbi]

"We will bring South Africa to a halt. Those who are complaining [now] have seen nothing yet. - Vavi"

Destroying many small businesses in the process. Gotta love Africa, burn everything to the ground in order to improve things. My car breaks down. That's ok, I'll just set it on fire until a tow truck arrives.

 

[Devill]

Correct kingdong, the bosses have been raking in unfair increases and bonuses, when the workers are receiving small increases. That is why there companies should be using transparent annual reviewing methods, which calculate increases based on the company's annual profits as well as the workforce's achievements. IMO one can't simply expect large increases, due to the rising cost of living, with no concerns for the validity of the increases in terms of the efforts and achievements, based on proper, transparent reviews.

The solution isn't striking for more pay, but to find a means to enable profit-sharing based on the accepted contribution which each income-category makes toward the company's bottom line. It's not so hard, but yet we continue to bash heads like greedy goats, hurting the entire population in the process. That's completely ridiculous, because it damages the country far beyond the disputing sector.

Well said sir!

Fighting fire with fire does not work that is why firemen do not carry around Flamethrowers.

 

[Mila]

PARLIAMENT has recommended that Auditor-General Terence Nombembe's pay be increased from R1,708,600 to R2,650,000, retrospective from December 1 2006.

Lovely.

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/business/2011/07/12/pay-increase-for-a-g-proposed

 

[JungleBoy]

Au contraire. A labour broker has a larger client base ensuring there is work for those who choose to use their services. If Cosatu have such an issue with them, they (and their members) are welcome to use their constitutional rights to choose not to use their services. We have this beautiful democratic process that is not used when needed. Instead we land up with this situation. We have political problems in this country that will not be resolved by putting a band-aid on a broken leg...

I don't get you. COSATU is a UNION and labour brokers are used by employers. If you ban labour brokers then employers will be forced to hire workers directly with full benefits going to the workers instead of some fat cat labour broker

 

[Devill]

I don't get you. COSATU is a UNION and labour brokers are used by employers. If you ban labour brokers then employers will be forced to hire workers directly with full benefits going to the workers instead of some fat cat labour broker

And the labour brokers then become jobless? Good solution!

Everybody gets a 3% higher increase and 15 000 jobs are lost(This is a thumb suck figure). Jobless people that WE then have to support....

 

[Geriatrix]

I don't get you. COSATU is a UNION and labour brokers are used by employers. If you ban labour brokers then employers will be forced to hire workers directly with full benefits going to the workers instead of some fat cat labour broker

So uh, why doesn't the unions just offer free membership labour brokering services for their members then? Wouldn't that keep the unions/workers happy and undercut the private "fat cats"?

 

[JungleBoy]

And the labour brokers then become jobless? Good solution!

Everybody gets a 3% higher increase and 15 000 jobs are lost(This is a thumb suck figure). Jobless people that WE then have to support....

Labour brokers take a portion of a workers' salary rate every month for the duration of employment but what exactly do they do for the worker during this period other than the initial placing with an employer? Why do you need the middle man to keep the worker and employer connected?

How is this different to tend tenderpreneurs ? They also just sit in the middle between companies and government but do't really contribute to the value chain.

 

[DreamKing]

I don't get you. COSATU is a UNION and labour brokers are used by employers. If you ban labour brokers then employers will be forced to hire workers directly with full benefits going to the workers instead of some fat cat labour broker

don't be naive ... you think it is just as simple as that?

companies want to hire temp workers for so many different reasons. Yes, one of the reason is to cut costs and benefits. But it is not the ONLY reason.

Why don't simplify labour laws and give more power for the employers to choose the right people for the job? why we need labour laws to protect non perform workers and get rid of people want to work? It doesn't make sense for me. "Easy hire easy fire" policy is the solution of workers abusing, not to scrap labour brokers.