what is the country coming to?!

[h1d3ki]

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2476511,00.html

this is why we need the death penalty!!!

 

[Lycanthrope]

Death? DEATH?

No, death is too good for them. They should be put through hell.

 

[Pooky]

I am angry now.

 

[h1d3ki]

ok may we should do this instead, i 've taken this from another post.

I can think of a better way... clamp his genitals in a vice grip, weld the grip shut, pour petrol over the entire room except the rapist and the path to the exit, put a knive down on the table and light the place on fire...

 

[LazyLion]

The ANC government condones and even promotes this type of activity through their complete and utter dismal failure to address crime in South Africa. The message that criminals on the street are getting from the ANC government is "go ahead and do what you want, we don't really care what you do. It's perfectly OK with us"

 

[TheHiveMind]

How is it that gunshots go so unnoticed that the guys can rape women at the scene after the gun shots, and flee on foot without anyone arriving in time???

 

[Caine]

Why we do not have the death penalty:


What if:
1. the evidence was forged?

2. the crime was not understood?

3. the law was wrong?

4. It costs more to execute a person, than to imprison that person for life.

5. We don't really understand what punishment death is, especially from a philosophical point of view.

Umm that is why you investigate .Crime does not need a reason, why should it be understood it should be mercilessly eradicated .Umm and the cost is not a lot i can think of very cheap ways to kill them.

 

[Caine]

We need more police, cameras, more investigators and to lock people up for much longer (we may need to compensate with more jails).

More police does not solve the problem,we need skilled police officers .Officers who are physical fit as well as mentally prepared.

 

[datafreak]

This country is coming to a point where the majority of law abiding citizens will feel obliged to take matters into their own hands.

Vigilantism, kangaroo courts, and street committees are no longer limited to just townships and informal settlements...

- So lets hear about the judiciary system and how the problem will be exacerbated by bypassing the lawful behavior that is working so well....

i know im going to catch flak about that statement,
but honestly I don't see how i'm going to make matters any worse fighting fire with fire.

The SAPS have proven time and again that when competence is present so is the lack of resources.
Lets not even mention the incompetent metro police farce.

It occurs to me on a daily basis that should i be presented the opportunity to stop a crime i will most likely do so with discretion, swift action, and excessive force.

I could be all talk, i really don't want to disprove this theory, until i'm forced into a corner i can only get out of with the most base of actions - violence.

 

[Morgoth]

lets argue this from a logical point of view, we go by the statement that the victims of these crimes are lawful taxpaying citizens , then would It be fair for the government to expect of them to pay even 1 cent or less per month to keep the murderers of their families alive?

The argument of capital punishment is not to kill a person due to revenge, it is to eliminate the accused and proven guilty from society as he does not fit in or belong there.

 

[h1d3ki]

the problem i have is that its a benefit to criminals to be put behind and there are no "real" consequences for their actions! in a case like this how do forge the raping of 6 females! i say death to f**kers.. dont not pass go, do not collect $200!

 

[Lycanthrope]

The argument of capital punishment is not to kill a person due to revenge, it is to eliminate the accused and proven guilty from society as he does not fit in or belong there.

Then "release" them back into society when they have "rehabilitated." Yeah, right. And I'm the tooth fairy. Death penalty is the only 100% sure-fire way of making certain they never harm someone again.

 

[shadowfox]

Torture is strictly against international law. It would never happen. Even the electric chair is considered torture. i don't think that you would want to be this guy

Bullets are pretty cheap. Firing squads will finish the guy off - no torture involved. Unless they miss.

 

[shadowfox]

post#8
Combined with a responsible parenting system(take china as an example: 17x reduction in poverty) is also a must.

We also need to govern culture, tv and media, more, especially for less broadminded societies, for instance, less violent movies on SABC.

These are the sole largest causes: dysfunctional parenting, and bad culture

China still has a death penalty .. .and frankly - the coppers there will shoot to kill if the guy resists arrest or runs away.

 

[Palmela]

Not even the chimpanzees and the baboons carry on in this way - ready to steal, to rob, to kill, ready to copulate anything on sight at any opportunity.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Responsible parenting is a must. We may not understand what lead these people into this. Yes they are fully guilty, but they could have been pressured over years into this mindset.

Yes, that makes it perfectly acceptable.

 

[shadowfox]

I really don't think China's one-child policy has much to do with it TBO. That arose as a result of population pressure - which was a direct result of families who kept having babies until they had at least one son.

That's where the poverty came from. Now - because of that policy, they have other problems.

 

[Vrotappel]

i know, but what i said there was related to it's birth policies. the death penalty it doesn't change the comparison between china before one-child, and china during the policy.

Responsible parenting is a must. We may not understand what lead these people into this. Yes they are fully guilty, but they could have been pressured over years into this mindset.

Nope some are just born bad or decide to go bad because it is easier. Torch them it is the only language they understand.

 

[shadowfox]

Well one can't deny that the more the poverty, the more crime.

I can't agree with that at all.

Poverty (extreme poverty) might induce someone to steal - but where does it tell a person to shoot someone in the head. Rape? How is that related.

And you can't deny that there are poor families that have excellent parenting skills, and where the kids push themselves to the absolute limits to succeed and work their way out of poverty - without resorting to crime once.

When planes get hijacked - is that poverty?
When OJ beat his wife to death - was that related to poverty?
The taxi driver that drove over that schoolgirl this week - would you like to blame that on poverty as well?

There are plenty of criminals who don't suffer from poverty at all - they just do it because they get a sense of power over someone weaker than they.

Poverty is just an excuse - not a reason.

 

[TheLoot]

Feed them to lions