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What is your view on gender?
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RedViking
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Actually that is the beginning.
I think the distinctions that exist are whether or not a person likes people of the same or opposite sex, but biologically and logically, they are what they had when they came out of the womb. Granted there are some differences like some men are very feminine and some woman are very masculine but again - what is between your legs is what you are. The rest are your choices.
Sexual preference in partners is a distinction, but it's not a distinction specifically related to gender. There are a ton of publications and research that discuss gender in terms of behavior, appearance, performance, and other characteristics that don't relate to biological gender. The key consideration is that they're really saying "We're not talking about chromosomes or gonads here, but social characteristics", they just don't spell it out, which is why people who aren't aware think all trans people are claiming to be something they're not.
Then why the insistence on using the word for "socially associated biological-sex attributions", why not use another word like "mood" or "feels"?
It’s already baked into our language as is:
When you ask someone “Do you have any kids?”, they may typically reply back with, “Yes, two girls and a boy”.
What do you think the reply was trying to communicate? Their sex organs? The makeup of their 23rd pair of chromosomes? I doubt either of these. They are trying to communicate socially associated attributions of the biological genders. Specifically the experience of raising boys can be very different to raising girls in many ways. The person is answering with the gender of the children, but is definitely not referring to balls, wombs, or genes.
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What a load of crap.
If somebody asks me about my offspring I say I have a boy. It has nothing to do with how I am raising him or some made up social construct. He has balls and the correct chromosomes to be classed as a male so he is, in fact, a boy.
RedViking
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Uhm... No.
So when you answer that question, you believe you’re effectively answering, “I have a kid with a dick”, because that’s what they wanted know? That’s pretty weird, man.
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That's pretty much it. He is a boy. He has a dick.
It's not that hard to understand.
He can like girls or boys or furries for all I care but he remains a boy.
RedViking
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Actually they just want to know if they must use he/him or her/she. It's frowned up to check and in my opinion very bad manners.
Spoiler: they don’t actually want to know if your kid has a dick or not. (Edit: but if they do, you should probably call the police).
Language is not always literal, and is clearly not literal in this case. If you can’t understand that, there’s really no more point in discussing this.
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Let me guess, you don't have kids?
Most peiple don't want to know how they identify or as what gender you are trying to raise them. When people asks about your kids they mean it in the most literal sense they can. How many are boys and how many are girls.
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RedViking
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What sorcery is this ?
Foxhound5366
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The poll question is about gender, not sex. Gender is about masculine/feminine, not male/female. The poll question is therefore deliberately broken in the interests of controversy. Here’s the basic definition:
Apart from the differences in the two sexes (and everything inbetween caused by hormone and growth balances one way or the other), gender is absolutely a social construct. Girls raised by parents who encourage them to do anything, or around only brothers, tend to adopt more masculine habits and are classed as “tomboys”. Young men are mocked by being told they “throw like a girl”.
Every time you buy a boy a car or an action figure, and a girl a doll and a cooking set, you’re directly contributing to policing the boundaries of your preferred gender definitions in society. And kids self-police each other too, of course, where “cool toys” at school become gendered because that’s what helps you fit in.
That’s not to say that hormones don’t play a massive difference in the physical development of men and women. We’re definitely steered into the classic roam vs nurture archetypes by our body’s chemistry, but it’s the social policing that does way more in terms of actually informing and naturalising specific forms of behaviour.
Apart from the differences in the two sexes (and everything inbetween caused by hormone and growth balances one way or the other), gender is absolutely a social construct. Girls raised by parents who encourage them to do anything, or around only brothers, tend to adopt more masculine habits and are classed as “tomboys”. Young men are mocked by being told they “throw like a girl”.
Every time you buy a boy a car or an action figure, and a girl a doll and a cooking set, you’re directly contributing to policing the boundaries of your preferred gender definitions in society. And kids self-police each other too, of course, where “cool toys” at school become gendered because that’s what helps you fit in.
That’s not to say that hormones don’t play a massive difference in the physical development of men and women. We’re definitely steered into the classic roam vs nurture archetypes by our body’s chemistry, but it’s the social policing that does way more in terms of actually informing and naturalising specific forms of behaviour.
If you really believe that they’re interested in your kids’ genitals, you should call the police.
No problem with a guy wanting to change to a girl either, or visa-versa, if that's their own choice and they're old enough emotionally and experience wise to make the choice. Otherwise it's what you were born with, done deal.
AI:
So hardly a factor, and they can still make a definitive choice (and usually do).
AI:
So hardly a factor, and they can still make a definitive choice (and usually do).
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