When we will see dramatically cheaper broadband

Selloml said:
What else, apart from prices can we expect when the switch -on takes place on thursday? Any noticiable changes?
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The "switch-on" will be a dummy throwing of the switch since the cable is theoretically already live... they have been testing it for the last month. Don't expect to see any change on your ADSL line immediately tomorrow.
 
km2 said:
Now what happens if I decide to offer them double the speed? Nothing. The calculation stays exactly the same, it doesn't matter to the ISP. If you end up using more data because the line is so fast, you'll run out of bundle on the 15th of the month. ISPs know that the majority of people will then adjust their usage so that they plan when they run out of bandwidth better, and that brings the average speed needed straight back into line.
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This statement seems flawed.
It might be applicable when you are downloading content like, games music ect, that doesn't require a fast line to get what you want.

But let's say you are gaming online, then it's a small packet that has to travel at a fast speed back and forth between the players.

So you can't say that the speed needs to come down, cause there isn't a lot of MB/s or GB/s traveling?

I'm with davemc on this one...
 
I must say, all this about contracts etc binding current market players to SAT3 and Telkom is understandable.

At the same time, does it not open the market to new players that will not be subject to the same restrictions? In the example given, if 30% of bandwidth is routed through Seacom @ R10, the overall price could be ~R70. Now if you start from scratch, what is stopping you from routing all your traffic through Seacom? Charge ~R20 or even R35, which is effectively less than half...

I would be willing to go with a provider that had prices that low, even if there were hiccups such as latency and uptime issues. As long as I get the bandwidth I pay for, that is cool. As a private user, the reliability/uptime etc is not as important to me as the price...

EDIT: If it goes down, my GBs should roll over till it's up again kind of thing:)
 
0rk0 said:
This statement seems flawed.
It might be applicable when you are downloading content like, games music ect, that doesn't require a fast line to get what you want.

But let's say you are gaming online, then it's a small packet that has to travel at a fast speed back and forth between the players.

So you can't say that the speed needs to come down, cause there isn't a lot of MB/s or GB/s traveling?

I'm with davemc on this one...
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It's all small packets, irrespective of if it's games/music vs online game play.

You're not sending more data anyway if you're playing online games on a faster connection. Your transfer on a slow connection would look like:

|****........****........****|

if you put the same thing on a fast connection it would just be

|**............**.............**|

There'd just be longer periods where it's doing nothing.
 
km2 said:
It's all small packets, irrespective of if it's games/music vs online game play.

You're not sending more data anyway if you're playing online games on a faster connection. Your transfer on a slow connection would look like:

|****........****........****|

if you put the same thing on a fast connection it would just be

|**............**.............**|

There'd just be longer periods where it's doing nothing.
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This is exactly the problem.

If you are playing online and example a shooter game, you can't have the guy running around if you've shot him already 5 minutes ago. :D

I think where we miss each other is where you assume the line is under utilised, which is not the case.
The line is always 100% utilised.
We are waiting for the data, the line isn't waiting for data.
 
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So its a 2 year wait.....enough time for alot of profit to be made. Someone is going to get rich from tomorrow.
 
Garyvdh said:
I'm still guessing that Telkom is going to make a nice announcement for us... around... September or October. ;) Watch this space! :p
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Guessing? In another thread you were sure, as your inside sources were providing you with the facts.
Which is it now?
 
Pilgrim said:
The problem is that while we wait for prices to drop, SA is getting further and further behind. By the time we have the same type of internet connections in SA as they have in the rest of the world (8mb to 24mb, no caps, only line speed counts) the rest of the world will probably have 100mbps or more as a standard.

And I don't mean 8mbps as a possibility by bonding multiple lines, then paying more than your average salary for the "uncapped" part, I mean 8mbps as an entry level speed, caps don't feature in the pricing structure, and it costs a fraction of your salary. (Eg. in todays terms, like R200 per month, all inclusive)

Unless we, SA as a whole, push for dramatic changes in the cost of broadband internet NOW, we won't ever have real broadband internet.

How will SA ever compete globally when we are 5 years behind the times?
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Listen South Africa has always been "behind the times". I lived in England for two years and during that time I had an 8 meg line, 20 meg line and a 2 meg line. The 8 and 20 meg were awesome, unshaped and uncapped, yet on my 4 meg Telkom line I find speeds to be similar if not faster in some cases. The only problem is capping...
 
De Nobrega stresses the importance of these other components when considering bandwidth pricing.
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Spoken like a true ISP (recently listed thanks to Altech.)

He has his own interests at heart and the interests of shareholders - of course he's going to punt the valid reasons and hype the shyte. His job is to make a much money out of us as possible to please the money people.

Don't give us lip service - give us more of that 90% price reduction without sucking it all up for your greedy self damnit ...
 
My comparison is valid because:

IS takes the cost of IPConnect, their equipment,data centres, admin, staff etc. into account and come up with the figure of R4/gig. It doesn't matter if you use 384 or 512 or 4 meg DSL. The cost is the same. To transmit 1 GB or data on their local network as fast as your line allows, costs you R4. If they now plug SEACOM into one of their network points, bam, you have international at R4 + (SEACOM+Global Transit cost per GB).

I'm comparing apples with the cost of road freight so to speak, but when you buy an apple, all that other cost is included in the price of the apple.
 
This is absolute bull****! All they are doing is buying time so they can rip the consumer while they are enjoying reduced bandwidth cost!!!
 
Garyvdh said:
I'm still guessing that Telkom is going to make a nice announcement for us... around... September or October. ;) Watch this space! :p
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I have seen a few of your posts stating this, I'm sure your inbox must be full of mail stating "Please tell me I want to know" :)

Let's hope your source is realible.
 
Hunted said:
I have seen a few of your posts stating this, I'm sure your inbox must be full of mail stating "Please tell me I want to know" :)

Let's hope your source is realible.
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"sources" ... but yes... me too! Otherwise the entire board is gonna be hunting me down! :D
 
first we must wait for seacom, now we must wait for essay...then after essay.......???
 
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