When will e-tolling start?

Do you think e-tolls will be implemented in Gauteng?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 68.1%

  • No

    Votes: 15 31.9%
  • Total voters
    47
let's hope as soon as possible..... I'd love this to be the deserved monumental farkup, before the Mangaung conference - hell yeah! bring it on...
 
Bundu said:
let's hope as soon as possible..... I'd love this to be the deserved monumental farkup, before the Mangaung conference - hell yeah! bring it on...
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I take it you don't have to travel those roads?
 
no, I do, but have decided LOOOONG ago, not to comply
 
Bern said:
uh oh...
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the tariffs are irrelevant ..... even if they make it 2c/km (1c for collection + 1c for the roads), it's pissing away money for collection - fuel levy, is the way to go
 
Bundu said:
the tariffs are irrelevant ..... even if they make it 2c/km (1c for collection + 1c for the roads), it's pissing away money for collection - fuel levy, is the way to go
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Has anyone estimated how much of a fuel levy they'd need? My guess is an increase of 30% to 60% on Gauteng fuel.
 
Knowing the ANC, they'll say e-tolling started 2 weeks ago and then use that as an excuse to justify an increased toll fee...

Bundu said:
the tariffs are irrelevant ..... even if they make it 2c/km (1c for collection + 1c for the roads), it's pissing away money for collection - fuel levy, is the way to go
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Wonder how much the other toll booths in the country "lose" to collection?
 
eltherza said:
Thirdly, the fuel levy will need to be increased by not more than 11c per litre. It can be collected by the five oil refiners, which will decrease the cost of collection from the estimated R13 billion to almost zero.

source : http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55539
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I think people will have a problem with this part

national fuel levy
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But we about a fifth of the country, so if the fuel levy is just in Gauteng it will be about 55c extra.
 
phoneJunky said:
I think people will have a problem with this part



But we about a fifth of the country, so if the fuel levy is just in Gauteng it will be about 55c extra.
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So then do the maths, instead of that 60c (or whatever the rate was) per KM for e-toll, the average vehicle does 10l/100kms, so you're spening R5.50 per 100lms, which works out to 5.5c per km travelled.
 
phoneJunky said:
I think people will have a problem with this part



But we about a fifth of the country, so if the fuel levy is just in Gauteng it will be about 55c extra.
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Stats show that gauteng has about 1/3rd of all the vehicles in country, so maybe only 30c?

But I don't think it matters though, Government is pushing for the tolls. Job creation and tender kick backs were promised - so they'll I'd say they'd push tolls as much as they can.
 
ToxicBunny said:
So then do the maths, instead of that 60c (or whatever the rate was) per KM for e-toll, the average vehicle does 10l/100kms, so you're spening R5.50 per 100lms, which works out to 5.5c per km travelled.
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But also remember that is 5.5c/km on every road in GP you use, not just the high way. I am certain some people will somehow feel done in at some point.

I do about 1500 km a month and I rarely use the high ways. It will cost me R82.5 extra. With that toll calculator I worked out I will be paying about R100 a month. So for me I will save marginally, but some other people might not. And I can't imagine they would be happy.
 
eltherza said:
Stats show that gauteng has about 1/3rd of all the vehicles in country, so maybe only 30c?

But I don't think it matters though, Government is pushing for the tolls. Job creation and tender kick backs were promised - so they'll I'd say they'd push tolls as much as they can.
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That would already be much better in the calculation toxic made.
 
phoneJunky said:
But also remember that is 5.5c/km on every road in GP you use, not just the high way. I am certain some people will somehow feel done in at some point.

I do about 1500 km a month and I rarely use the high ways. It will cost me R82.5 extra. With that toll calculator I worked out I will be paying about R100 a month. So for me I will save marginally, but some other people might not. And I can't imagine they would be happy.
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I only used the highway on every 2nd weekend, but it would the drive from wiliam nicole through to zambesi (actually the N4 passed zambesi - which already has a toll of about R10 as it is...). So I was looking at about an extra R200-R300 extra a month. With a levy of 30c/l it's just less than R200 (and 11c/l would be much less than that).

So either way wouldn't make too much difference to my costs. Problem comes in when prices of everything else goes up because of the tolls.

If the fuel levy were to be adopted, it might still increase the price of everything anyway. Hopefully by not as much as the tolls would have.
 
In 2010, SA sold 21 billion litres of petrol and diesel.
A 10c/l fuel levy increase would raise over R2bn a year... People wouldn't even NOTICE this, it's far less than the monthly wild fluctuations caused by Zuma opening his mouth and devaluing the rand...
 
Gauteng subsidizes the rest of the country with taxes, so maybe it's only fair for them to subsidize a national ring fenced fuel levy - surely their roads will also need to be upgraded in future and this expensive collection model (e-Tolls) has to be killed off here and now
 
Why do we need any type of levy/tolling, etc? We've successfully managed to have a highway network in Gauteng funded out of taxpayer funds since the 1960's, so the only reason why it is suddenly necessary to find special funds to do the things that our existing fuel/income/VAT taxes should already be covering, is to fund the massive inefficiency and corruption that has resulted in the addition of a few lanes to the local highways networks costing R98 Billion and taking the better part of a decade.

In my opinion, the massive cost of the toll collection system (R15 billion rand over 3yrs, 2 billion just for the feasibility study) is the biggest fraud since the arms deal, and the issue should not be about when it will start, or what the rate will be, it should be about when the criminal investigation should start, and who are the criminals responsible for this massive public theft.

There is no way to explain away how multiple billions could have been spent just on the feasibility for the tolls, and how each toll gantry can work out to cost many hundreds of millions of rands. Why is nobody asking these questions?
 
Exactly .. e-tolling has been equated to the arms deal. The ANC isn't just incompetent, they're thieves as well!

Secondly, if the 'user pays' principle is so sound .. why shouldn't Zuma pay for the R203mil enhancements to his home himself?
 
the way these scamsters are implementing e-tolling is far from user pays - taxis and buses don't pay but use and there is a cap on the amount people that use the road often pay, so the people who use it less, subsidise the frequent users - far from user pays
 
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