Which handgun do you recommend for EDC?

If got the budget look at the aig Sauer p365 or 365xl or 365x. My instinct says the x is best of the trio but different needs results in different models.
 
phant1m said:
If got the budget look at the aig Sauer p365 or 365xl or 365x. My instinct says the x is best of the trio but different needs results in different models.
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there waz an xl listed not so long ago on gunsite if im not mistaken
 
phant1m said:
If got the budget look at the aig Sauer p365 or 365xl or 365x. My instinct says the x is best of the trio but different needs results in different models.
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The above series I took recently ... not the best photos, but at least give a sense for how these guns look directly under the same conditions (your hand may look different lol). You're looking at the Glock 19 and 43X, CZ P10C and Sig 365 XL and regular 365.
 
Happy Sloth said:
I have owned it for just over 20 years now.
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400 rounds in 20 years. That's barely used. Sorry, but you can make no claims on reliability on that amount of shots fired.

My G19 had close to 1500 rounds through it before I got my license (shop had a range, so I could shoot whenever I wanted). Probably standing somewhere close to 20 000 rounds after 6 years.

The only issues I ever experienced was early reloads that had bulges, struggling to chamber them. After getting a factory crimp die, and I stopped using KZN bullets, I've never had those issues again.
 
AntennaMan said:
400 rounds in 20 years. That's barely used. Sorry, but you can make no claims on reliability on that amount of shots fired.

My G19 had close to 1500 rounds through it before I got my license (shop had a range, so I could shoot whenever I wanted). Probably standing somewhere close to 20 000 rounds after 6 years.

The only issues I ever experienced was early reloads that had bulges, struggling to chamber them. After getting a factory crimp die, and I stopped using KZN bullets, I've never had those issues again.
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20 000 rounds is impressive... My 23c has about 6000 rounds through it and the only issue I had was a broken locking block pin.
 
AntennaMan said:
400 rounds in 20 years. That's barely used. Sorry, but you can make no claims on reliability on that amount of shots fired.

My G19 had close to 1500 rounds through it before I got my license (shop had a range, so I could shoot whenever I wanted). Probably standing somewhere close to 20 000 rounds after 6 years.

The only issues I ever experienced was early reloads that had bulges, struggling to chamber them. After getting a factory crimp die, and I stopped using KZN bullets, I've never had those issues again.
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I am sorry you believe that... It is like saying a new gun is worthless...

Unless you are stressing a gun to test it before deployment there should be no need stress any weapon to this degree. A gun that was not stressed is less lightly to fail then a gun that was heavily stressed. That is why weapons get decommissioned. The reason is mechanical parts that was highly stressed is more lightly to fail. That is why decommissioning happens periodically as well as careful and meticulous gun maintenance.

The point of those extreme gun test is not just for reliability. It is to gather statistics. Then they know what will fail, when it will fail and what maintenance kits to provide and when decommissioning will happen. This info is then given to the client and they will act accordingly.

But I do trust my weapon and I do trust it more then I do yours. And you should trust your weapon more then mine. Why? Because you know what you did to maintain it and I don't same goes for me. I know what I did and you don't so obviously trust your own weapon. You don't need to trust mine.

But just because you fired more bullets then me doesn't mean your weapon is more reliable... i mean seriously just think about it logically.
 
20k rounds through any modern handgun is hardly stress testing it. Many comp shooters do that in a few years without issue. In fact, serious shooters do 100k in 5 years - the guns are designed for that. The point above was referring to a frame of reference: 400 rounds through any gun is hardly a statistic to measure the reliability of a gun against. At the risk of sounding condescending, that’s still a brand new gun.
 
Guys, can we just agree that regardless how many rounds your gun has, freak failures can and will happen, and you're more likely to be let down by factors beyond your control (like two professional perps with AKs who take away your amazingly reliable gun because they aren't idiots)?

This thread is never going to benefit anyone if people get worried about expressing their opinions for fear of criticism. So far it's been amazingly beneficial and I've enjoyed seeing different viewpoints.
 
gbyleveldt said:
20k rounds through any modern handgun is hardly stress testing it. Many comp shooters do that in a few years without issue. In fact, serious shooters do 100k in 5 years - the guns are designed for that. The point above was referring to a frame of reference: 400 rounds through any gun is hardly a statistic to measure the reliability of a gun against. At the risk of sounding condescending, that’s still a brand new gun.
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True story, these tools are designed and built to work! I run 4 boxes through my pistol every month, never had a failure.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Guys, can we just agree that regardless how many rounds your gun has, freak failures can and will happen, and you're more likely to be let down by factors beyond your control (like two professional perps with AKs who take away your amazingly reliable gun because they aren't idiots)?
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Drills, with Snap Caps mixed into the live rounds to simulate failure to fire at the range. Dry fire drills at home.
 
Just FYI

My first handgun was my dads Rosi .38 Special. Bought a Lee turret press and send 1000's of bullets through that revolver. It's not sporting accurate but would have hit any torso in range. And in range is not 20m - That's not self defense.
 
Reliable or not, a snubby is hard to shoot straight. Much harder than a modern pistol. Unless you are John Wick a few hundred rounds a year (or month) should be the bare minimum. Granted, we all probably practice and train less than we should, but with such a tricky weapon it's even more important.
 
notayoba said:
Reliable or not, a snubby is hard to shoot straight. Much harder than a modern pistol. Unless you are John Wick a few hundred rounds a year (or month) should be the bare minimum. Granted, we all probably practice and train less than we should, but with such a tricky weapon it's even more important.
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Some can shoot straight, others not :cool:
 
notayoba said:
:) I can hit the 10 ring more often than not with my 9mm. With a snubby an A4 page starts becoming a more realistic target.
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I'm not going to derail the thread BUT
EDC = for self defense. Do you want to shoot the cigar out of an attackers mouth at 20m ? Any case there won't be enough time to steady yourself and take proper aim.
www.steinelammo.com

Why 38 Special Remains a Top Self-Defense Choice

A concise guide to the 38 Special for concealed carry - history, mild recoil, snub revolver benefits & Snub Nose Pro ammo for stopping power.
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HunterNW said:
I'm not going to derail the thread BUT
EDC = for self defense. Do you want to shoot the cigar out of an attackers mouth at 20m ? Any case there won't be enough time to steady yourself and take proper aim.
www.steinelammo.com

Why 38 Special Remains a Top Self-Defense Choice

A concise guide to the 38 Special for concealed carry - history, mild recoil, snub revolver benefits & Snub Nose Pro ammo for stopping power.
www.steinelammo.com www.steinelammo.com
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You want to place rounds between the nose and top lip at anywhere from 1-10m. The medulla oblongata is the off switch.
 
notayoba said:
Exactly. So do you want to start with a deficit of having a hard to shoot weapon, or an easy to shoot one.
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Easy - Revolver. If i feel like it i carry my 357 Magnum (Mostly winter as it's a shoulder holster) otherwise the CZ Shadow.
 
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